1 00:00:16,970 --> 00:00:09,090 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:16,980 --> 00:00:21,900 you 3 00:00:28,090 --> 00:00:24,760 hello and welcome to the skeptic zone 4 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:28,100 episode number 258 for the 29th of 5 00:00:34,060 --> 00:00:31,130 September 2013 Richard Saunders here 6 00:00:37,150 --> 00:00:34,070 with you from Sydney Australia and 7 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:37,160 what's on the show this week I catch up 8 00:00:43,330 --> 00:00:39,530 with a very good friend of mine George 9 00:00:46,900 --> 00:00:43,340 rub geo the man himself from the 10 00:00:50,590 --> 00:00:46,910 geologic podcast and many fine albums 11 00:00:53,350 --> 00:00:50,600 Georgia rub will discuss various things 12 00:00:55,389 --> 00:00:53,360 like what it's like to MC the amazing 13 00:00:58,630 --> 00:00:55,399 meeting what it's like the front a huge 14 00:01:02,170 --> 00:00:58,640 band and do gigs and what it's like to 15 00:01:04,810 --> 00:01:02,180 have a skeptical podcast a long rambling 16 00:01:07,060 --> 00:01:04,820 chat with George Arab coming up at the 17 00:01:09,070 --> 00:01:07,070 top of the show also on this week's show 18 00:01:11,980 --> 00:01:09,080 a week in science from the Royal 19 00:01:17,230 --> 00:01:11,990 Institution of Australia as we like to 20 00:01:20,050 --> 00:01:17,240 say w WR I a u.s. org a you and Paul 21 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:20,060 Willis back again don't forget you can 22 00:01:23,770 --> 00:01:21,530 meet Paul will sat the upcoming 23 00:01:27,190 --> 00:01:23,780 Australia's skeptics National Convention 24 00:01:30,370 --> 00:01:27,200 oh yes and I'm going to tell you that ah 25 00:01:32,109 --> 00:01:30,380 today and tomorrow I think that's about 26 00:01:34,090 --> 00:01:32,119 right to your last chance to get the 27 00:01:35,950 --> 00:01:34,100 early bird tickets save some money 28 00:01:37,810 --> 00:01:35,960 there's the hint if you haven't booked 29 00:01:39,399 --> 00:01:37,820 yet for the national convention coming 30 00:01:42,609 --> 00:01:39,409 up in Canberra on the twenty-second of 31 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:42,619 November but quick quick quick you can 32 00:01:47,170 --> 00:01:44,450 still book after that but it's cheaper 33 00:01:49,179 --> 00:01:47,180 to book right now and in fact the ticket 34 00:01:52,990 --> 00:01:49,189 prices go up on the first of October 35 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:53,000 then we have staff and cyka our co-host 36 00:01:58,480 --> 00:01:55,250 on the skeptic zone periodically he's 37 00:02:01,330 --> 00:01:58,490 written a great song all about them well 38 00:02:03,940 --> 00:02:01,340 back care encouraging people to be 39 00:02:06,190 --> 00:02:03,950 careful with their spines it's called 40 00:02:09,669 --> 00:02:06,200 mind your back you can download it from 41 00:02:11,920 --> 00:02:09,679 itunes and dr. Stefan Sokka will be 42 00:02:14,920 --> 00:02:11,930 along soon to tell us all about that 43 00:02:18,009 --> 00:02:14,930 mind your back and to round off the show 44 00:02:21,850 --> 00:02:18,019 i chat with michael cruz from bad 45 00:02:24,460 --> 00:02:21,860 science watch in canada and bad science 46 00:02:26,500 --> 00:02:24,470 watch do a great job taking their 47 00:02:28,569 --> 00:02:26,510 concerns to the canadian government and 48 00:02:32,559 --> 00:02:28,579 in this case he's going to discuss their 49 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:32,569 campaign against the lunacy which is 50 00:02:38,209 --> 00:02:34,290 homeopathy 51 00:02:43,670 --> 00:02:38,219 in the 21st century we're still fighting 52 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:43,680 this if I just clear space now my desk 53 00:02:50,539 --> 00:02:48,450 here somebody made a comment that they 54 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:50,549 thought it was funny when I had desk so 55 00:03:01,160 --> 00:02:59,720 there you go now coming up on next 56 00:03:04,690 --> 00:03:01,170 week's show before we get into this 57 00:03:07,599 --> 00:03:04,700 week's show I dr. Rachel reports out 58 00:03:09,860 --> 00:03:07,609 congratulations to dr. a chichi and some 59 00:03:12,470 --> 00:03:09,870 collaborators wrote a very important 60 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:12,480 paper about blue-green algae and motor 61 00:03:17,270 --> 00:03:14,370 neurone disease and the links they're 62 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:17,280 very important she's been all over the 63 00:03:21,289 --> 00:03:19,290 media all over television and the press 64 00:03:22,759 --> 00:03:21,299 and her phone's been ringing off the 65 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:22,769 hook as they used to say in the old days 66 00:03:28,610 --> 00:03:26,010 and dr. H is preparing a special report 67 00:03:31,220 --> 00:03:28,620 about this for the skeptic zone to be 68 00:03:33,319 --> 00:03:31,230 our broadcast next week but you must 69 00:03:35,990 --> 00:03:33,329 understand my friends she has been run 70 00:03:38,930 --> 00:03:36,000 off her feet the attention she has 71 00:03:42,050 --> 00:03:38,940 received for her important work such 72 00:03:43,849 --> 00:03:42,060 important work not only is she as you 73 00:03:46,819 --> 00:03:43,859 know dr. Reggie reports on the skeptic 74 00:03:49,449 --> 00:03:46,829 zone but she is a very very important 75 00:03:51,949 --> 00:03:49,459 scientist in her own right so top marks 76 00:03:55,129 --> 00:03:51,959 dr. Reggie and also I think we're going 77 00:03:59,390 --> 00:03:55,139 to be covering pretty soon this breaking 78 00:04:00,860 --> 00:03:59,400 news today we're chiropractors some 79 00:04:04,369 --> 00:04:00,870 chiropractors in this country have been 80 00:04:08,449 --> 00:04:04,379 tumbled rumbled sneaking into hospitals 81 00:04:11,420 --> 00:04:08,459 to adjust patients and also there's news 82 00:04:13,729 --> 00:04:11,430 about a baby whose neck was broken by a 83 00:04:16,250 --> 00:04:13,739 chiropractor it's all very worrying will 84 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:16,260 try to cover that next week but for now 85 00:04:20,509 --> 00:04:18,930 let's get on to the skeptic zone you 86 00:04:22,670 --> 00:04:20,519 know how I sometimes roll the dice and I 87 00:04:25,010 --> 00:04:22,680 say well you know what's it going to be 88 00:04:26,810 --> 00:04:25,020 choice of 20 numbers and some if you get 89 00:04:30,310 --> 00:04:26,820 it right well I thought I'd make it a 90 00:04:39,370 --> 00:04:30,320 bit easier heads or tails are you ready 91 00:04:45,860 --> 00:04:43,100 tails congratulations all those people 92 00:04:47,420 --> 00:04:45,870 who picked pedals with that thought in 93 00:04:50,689 --> 00:04:47,430 our heads I'm going to run downstairs 94 00:04:54,260 --> 00:04:50,699 open the cupboard dive into that packet 95 00:04:56,840 --> 00:04:54,270 of peanut puffs I bought today at aldi 96 00:04:58,760 --> 00:04:56,850 when I used to eat them 20 years ago in 97 00:05:00,260 --> 00:04:58,770 Germany I used to know them as Hypnose 98 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:00,270 flips and I think they're called 99 00:05:03,409 --> 00:05:01,410 something else in other parts of the 100 00:05:05,090 --> 00:05:03,419 world but they're damn delicious yeah I 101 00:05:23,620 --> 00:05:05,100 better do that well I'm doing that I 102 00:05:28,610 --> 00:05:26,540 you burn through the universe and a lot 103 00:05:30,770 --> 00:05:28,620 comes across your face you're trying to 104 00:05:33,290 --> 00:05:30,780 find the distances of all the stuff in 105 00:05:34,610 --> 00:05:33,300 space which you can pack the bacon of 106 00:05:36,050 --> 00:05:34,620 your mind well folks there are many 107 00:05:39,230 --> 00:05:36,060 great things that come out of a place 108 00:05:43,310 --> 00:05:39,240 called Bethlehem is a man that we all 109 00:05:46,820 --> 00:05:43,320 know this son call him the Messiah yes 110 00:05:49,070 --> 00:05:46,830 it's George rob george what an 111 00:05:50,420 --> 00:05:49,080 introduction gosh how can I ever live up 112 00:05:51,890 --> 00:05:50,430 to that my goodness yeah there's many 113 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:51,900 many good things that I Bethlehem and 114 00:05:56,750 --> 00:05:53,730 there's George Rob that's what i was 115 00:05:59,840 --> 00:05:56,760 expecting for yes yes you I mean do 116 00:06:01,820 --> 00:05:59,850 people often make Bethlehem jokes I 117 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:01,830 usually I'm the first one to make a 118 00:06:05,510 --> 00:06:03,810 Bethlehem joke for the most part they're 119 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:05,520 there is a giggle that is in corporate 120 00:06:09,950 --> 00:06:08,130 or that usually follows when I'm at some 121 00:06:11,930 --> 00:06:09,960 convention usually comprised of 122 00:06:15,410 --> 00:06:11,940 non-religious people when I say I'm from 123 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:15,420 Bethlehem Pennsylvania yeah just that's 124 00:06:19,970 --> 00:06:17,370 it right there that giggle that usually 125 00:06:20,990 --> 00:06:19,980 comes along and my one thing that I've 126 00:06:22,790 --> 00:06:21,000 always wanted to do there is a hotel 127 00:06:24,980 --> 00:06:22,800 here which is called the hotel bethlehem 128 00:06:26,900 --> 00:06:24,990 and I've always wanted to go there 129 00:06:28,310 --> 00:06:26,910 Christmas Eve and just cause a ruckus 130 00:06:30,650 --> 00:06:28,320 about you know complained what do you 131 00:06:32,270 --> 00:06:30,660 mean there's no room oh no yeah so i 132 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:32,280 haven't haven't got the gumption to do 133 00:06:35,180 --> 00:06:33,570 that yet but one of these one of these 134 00:06:37,790 --> 00:06:35,190 christmas eves i'll do it babies tom 135 00:06:40,370 --> 00:06:37,800 yeah you could you could use the same 136 00:06:42,410 --> 00:06:40,380 beard you used the last tam where you're 137 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:42,420 imitating James Randi oh yeah that's 138 00:06:48,050 --> 00:06:45,450 perfect yes my wise man outfit would be 139 00:06:52,100 --> 00:06:48,060 perfect for that yes my Randy / wiseman 140 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:52,110 outfit now you've been the MC fat am now 141 00:06:58,370 --> 00:06:56,370 for let me think three years three yes 142 00:06:59,930 --> 00:06:58,380 three years they keep I keep fooling 143 00:07:02,450 --> 00:06:59,940 them into asking you back somehow I 144 00:07:06,140 --> 00:07:02,460 don't I I yeah it's it's been an 145 00:07:08,990 --> 00:07:06,150 unbelievable ride it's a strange honor 146 00:07:11,270 --> 00:07:09,000 and it still boggles my mind that that 147 00:07:13,460 --> 00:07:11,280 I'm standing there amongst my heroes and 148 00:07:14,930 --> 00:07:13,470 I get to introduce them and and tell 149 00:07:19,010 --> 00:07:14,940 them to stop talking that's always the 150 00:07:20,810 --> 00:07:19,020 fun bit too got stubble you know someone 151 00:07:22,190 --> 00:07:20,820 who's literally every every word you've 152 00:07:23,570 --> 00:07:22,200 ever written I've read and have 153 00:07:25,220 --> 00:07:23,580 memorized or tried to memorize and 154 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:25,230 they're going three minutes over and I 155 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:26,370 have to kind of walk up and be like now 156 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:28,610 you're done I'm gonna move on sorry yeah 157 00:07:34,580 --> 00:07:31,770 the strange was a strange position of 158 00:07:35,930 --> 00:07:34,590 power to be in but but it's yet it's 159 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:35,940 it's tam as you 160 00:07:40,730 --> 00:07:37,770 tim is just is just the best and the 161 00:07:44,390 --> 00:07:40,740 last time I saw you we were sitting in a 162 00:07:47,180 --> 00:07:44,400 lounge singing standards oh yeah with 163 00:07:49,850 --> 00:07:47,190 with a bunch of skeptics yeah one of the 164 00:07:51,410 --> 00:07:49,860 most fun times I've had in a quite a 165 00:07:53,780 --> 00:07:51,420 long time that was that was really a 166 00:07:55,610 --> 00:07:53,790 special fund fun night you know what 167 00:07:58,280 --> 00:07:55,620 it's it that that was that was just 168 00:08:00,620 --> 00:07:58,290 fantastic but for me especially and I 169 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:00,630 guess for you too of course it was the 170 00:08:05,540 --> 00:08:03,810 one time at tam where we both I guess 171 00:08:09,830 --> 00:08:05,550 could really relax because you were 172 00:08:11,030 --> 00:08:09,840 obviously busy doing the MC job I was 173 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:11,040 quite concerned with a million-dollar 174 00:08:15,230 --> 00:08:12,810 challenge and it wasn't until the booze 175 00:08:17,900 --> 00:08:15,240 all over that I could forget everything 176 00:08:19,820 --> 00:08:17,910 all my responsibilities right oddly 177 00:08:22,010 --> 00:08:19,830 enough it's at the very end the last the 178 00:08:24,290 --> 00:08:22,020 last what fiftieth of the weekend you 179 00:08:27,550 --> 00:08:24,300 sort of relaxed and it relax and enjoy 180 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:27,560 it but I I very much appreciated your 181 00:08:33,770 --> 00:08:31,290 your explanation of waltzing matilda 182 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:33,780 your line by line explanation of 183 00:08:37,070 --> 00:08:35,370 waltzing matilda was really really 184 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:37,080 valuable to me and I appreciate it oh 185 00:08:42,020 --> 00:08:39,330 I'm glad I could enlighten you George 186 00:08:44,570 --> 00:08:42,030 that's right I don't you remember that 187 00:08:46,970 --> 00:08:44,580 but yeah but it was vaguely I don't know 188 00:08:49,460 --> 00:08:46,980 it we saying so many songs that night 189 00:08:53,300 --> 00:08:49,470 you know what struck me I I play the 190 00:08:56,690 --> 00:08:53,310 guitar myself and many years ago when I 191 00:08:58,790 --> 00:08:56,700 worked another another job I was working 192 00:09:00,800 --> 00:08:58,800 in a backpackers hostel I'd get out the 193 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:00,810 guitar and night and you know the 194 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:02,610 backpackers would want to sing this song 195 00:09:06,500 --> 00:09:04,050 or that song and I'd be looking through 196 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:06,510 books if I had them or whatever I could 197 00:09:10,610 --> 00:09:08,730 remember and I'm sitting there and 198 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:10,620 you've got your iPad in front of you and 199 00:09:16,250 --> 00:09:13,890 whatever people wanted to hear or sing 200 00:09:20,180 --> 00:09:16,260 along to you go to call it up and away 201 00:09:22,550 --> 00:09:20,190 we'd go that's just fantastic it's 202 00:09:24,670 --> 00:09:22,560 insane I mean it's insane that that not 203 00:09:27,770 --> 00:09:24,680 only it was this lovely sort of ipad 204 00:09:29,690 --> 00:09:27,780 farm that we had going where I would 205 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:29,700 look up the cords to a song and then 206 00:09:32,450 --> 00:09:31,170 someone else would look at the lyrics or 207 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:32,460 multiple people would look at the lyrics 208 00:09:36,220 --> 00:09:33,930 and then you kind of spread it out and 209 00:09:39,410 --> 00:09:36,230 it was just this ultimate live karaoke 210 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:39,420 interweb explosion of happiness and yeah 211 00:09:43,460 --> 00:09:41,250 it's one of the one of the beautiful 212 00:09:45,079 --> 00:09:43,470 things of the web is that there is such 213 00:09:46,820 --> 00:09:45,089 a resource now between I mean I have a 214 00:09:48,140 --> 00:09:46,830 couple apps that have lots of songs on 215 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:48,150 them you know chord changes and things 216 00:09:50,810 --> 00:09:49,170 but you 217 00:09:52,910 --> 00:09:50,820 really can just I mean you just Google 218 00:09:55,610 --> 00:09:52,920 you know any name of any song and the 219 00:09:56,900 --> 00:09:55,620 word chords after it and ninety-eight 220 00:09:58,069 --> 00:09:56,910 percent of the time you're going to find 221 00:09:59,870 --> 00:09:58,079 something I might not be totally 222 00:10:02,420 --> 00:09:59,880 accurate but it'll get you started so 223 00:10:03,769 --> 00:10:02,430 yeah yeah that's that was really 224 00:10:06,500 --> 00:10:03,779 impressive and it's certainly a big 225 00:10:07,850 --> 00:10:06,510 change from 20 years ago when if I 226 00:10:09,199 --> 00:10:07,860 didn't know what the song was and I 227 00:10:10,939 --> 00:10:09,209 didn't have a book with it which was 228 00:10:13,850 --> 00:10:10,949 usually the case and I'd say well no 229 00:10:16,250 --> 00:10:13,860 let's play another song right now let's 230 00:10:19,100 --> 00:10:16,260 speak about nexus this is very exciting 231 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:19,110 because I'm I'm working myself up I'm 232 00:10:24,889 --> 00:10:22,050 keen to I'm trying to I'm attempting to 233 00:10:27,590 --> 00:10:24,899 be there for the first time which is the 234 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:27,600 the conference there in New York I've 235 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:29,370 heard such good things about it but it's 236 00:10:33,290 --> 00:10:32,130 not quite at am is it it's not quite at 237 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:33,300 em and it has a little bit of a 238 00:10:37,490 --> 00:10:35,010 different vibe from a tam it's it's it's 239 00:10:40,879 --> 00:10:37,500 not as big which is sort of nice in a 240 00:10:42,410 --> 00:10:40,889 way the the the Nexus ease that I've 241 00:10:44,629 --> 00:10:42,420 experienced the next I that I've 242 00:10:47,329 --> 00:10:44,639 experienced have all been unique and fun 243 00:10:49,370 --> 00:10:47,339 there's some nice evening activities to 244 00:10:53,150 --> 00:10:49,380 that are kind of incorporated involving 245 00:10:56,420 --> 00:10:53,160 different sort of skeptical ruler 246 00:10:58,370 --> 00:10:56,430 scientific related things some artistic 247 00:11:01,180 --> 00:10:58,380 things it's it's a it's a really nice 248 00:11:03,139 --> 00:11:01,190 vibe it's a very kind of New York vibe 249 00:11:04,310 --> 00:11:03,149 which I it's hard to explain the 250 00:11:07,430 --> 00:11:04,320 difference between kind of like a las 251 00:11:10,370 --> 00:11:07,440 vegas crowd and a New York crowd but I I 252 00:11:11,990 --> 00:11:10,380 thoroughly enjoy Nexus very much of 253 00:11:14,210 --> 00:11:12,000 course you know then anything that the 254 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:14,220 sort of the novellas are involved in 255 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:16,170 usually has a certain level of quality 256 00:11:20,810 --> 00:11:17,970 that you are guaranteed to have so 257 00:11:22,340 --> 00:11:20,820 that's always nice and yeah I'm looking 258 00:11:23,660 --> 00:11:22,350 forward to it as always and and it'll be 259 00:11:25,220 --> 00:11:23,670 great it'll be your first time so 260 00:11:27,380 --> 00:11:25,230 hopefully that can happen hopefully you 261 00:11:30,050 --> 00:11:27,390 can come and and experience all that is 262 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:30,060 New York I i interviewed Evan Bernstein 263 00:11:33,949 --> 00:11:31,890 a couple of weeks ago and I said I have 264 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:33,959 no fear about walking around New York 265 00:11:37,579 --> 00:11:35,610 because I'll have George Arab to protect 266 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:37,589 me that's it yeah you'll be you'll be 267 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:41,850 good and yeah good as long as you can 268 00:11:46,309 --> 00:11:43,890 run as fast as I can you'll be fine so 269 00:11:49,819 --> 00:11:46,319 yeah I I'll just follow you that's it 270 00:11:52,430 --> 00:11:49,829 exactly exactly yeah so that's that's 271 00:11:55,309 --> 00:11:52,440 very exciting because I do enjoy and I 272 00:11:57,259 --> 00:11:55,319 know you doing do enjoy the conventions 273 00:12:01,160 --> 00:11:57,269 because not only is it a chance to see 274 00:12:02,930 --> 00:12:01,170 old friends but we can also as I like to 275 00:12:04,940 --> 00:12:02,940 say we can also be part of the 276 00:12:08,510 --> 00:12:04,950 why we can sit there and listen to other 277 00:12:10,790 --> 00:12:08,520 people in part such interesting and new 278 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:10,800 information yeah there's always some 279 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:11,970 little bit of something that you've 280 00:12:16,210 --> 00:12:14,010 never quite thought about or some 281 00:12:18,820 --> 00:12:16,220 information or some study or some 282 00:12:21,290 --> 00:12:18,830 perspective that you've never sort of 283 00:12:23,270 --> 00:12:21,300 pictured or had in your mind before that 284 00:12:25,010 --> 00:12:23,280 always comes across at these these 285 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:25,020 conventions and it's always like you 286 00:12:31,010 --> 00:12:28,650 know to meet a new idea is this 287 00:12:33,380 --> 00:12:31,020 invaluable thing so if you spend an 288 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:33,390 entire weekend somewhere and you get 289 00:12:38,630 --> 00:12:36,090 literally like one or two new ideas in 290 00:12:41,510 --> 00:12:38,640 your head I mean that to me is priceless 291 00:12:42,830 --> 00:12:41,520 I think that's that's such a cool cool 292 00:12:44,450 --> 00:12:42,840 thing to have and it's something that's 293 00:12:46,190 --> 00:12:44,460 that's very unique to an event like that 294 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:46,200 that you might get this different 295 00:12:49,250 --> 00:12:47,850 perspective on something or just be like 296 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:49,260 I've never thought of it that way or wow 297 00:12:53,930 --> 00:12:51,210 what a cool piece of information I can 298 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:53,940 use this in whatever how I approach 299 00:12:58,100 --> 00:12:55,890 things or how I debate things or how I 300 00:12:59,930 --> 00:12:58,110 argue things are and it's you're 301 00:13:02,210 --> 00:12:59,940 guaranteed and usually this happens like 302 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:02,220 once per talk if not you know if not 303 00:13:07,550 --> 00:13:04,650 once per day so it's it's really cool I 304 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:07,560 did and just to give our listeners a 305 00:13:12,230 --> 00:13:09,930 little bit of an insight into something 306 00:13:18,290 --> 00:13:12,240 like a big event like a Tamara or Nexus 307 00:13:21,140 --> 00:13:18,300 when i was about to talk at last time my 308 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:21,150 main talk on the stage they're backstage 309 00:13:24,620 --> 00:13:22,890 with you it's always quite amusing 310 00:13:27,680 --> 00:13:24,630 because we're sort of talking in low 311 00:13:30,290 --> 00:13:27,690 tones so we don't you know spoil the 312 00:13:32,870 --> 00:13:30,300 illusion of whatever it is and we're 313 00:13:35,870 --> 00:13:32,880 trying to make jokes and it's it's it's 314 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:35,880 um it's a unique experience isn't it the 315 00:13:41,210 --> 00:13:38,970 the backstage has always fascinated me 316 00:13:43,790 --> 00:13:41,220 the sort of the line where the 317 00:13:46,670 --> 00:13:43,800 proscenium starts and the backstage 318 00:13:51,110 --> 00:13:46,680 stops that you know that one and a half 319 00:13:54,350 --> 00:13:51,120 two feet is is sort of philosophically 320 00:13:56,540 --> 00:13:54,360 so interesting that you literally see 321 00:13:58,760 --> 00:13:56,550 people sort of become their stage 322 00:14:01,490 --> 00:13:58,770 persona as they step across this magic 323 00:14:04,820 --> 00:14:01,500 line yeah I love it is someone that 324 00:14:08,329 --> 00:14:04,830 performs I I love that because that's 325 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:08,339 about as close to sort of actual magic 326 00:14:12,740 --> 00:14:10,050 as you get in terms of the 327 00:14:16,199 --> 00:14:12,750 transformation of someone or like a 328 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:16,209 space being like a magical space 329 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:18,850 so I the whole backstage thing is always 330 00:14:24,150 --> 00:14:21,490 fun i i i kind of take it upon myself to 331 00:14:25,679 --> 00:14:24,160 try to help you know a person is going 332 00:14:27,509 --> 00:14:25,689 to be speaking if they're an experienced 333 00:14:28,829 --> 00:14:27,519 speaker then it's fine very often at Tim 334 00:14:30,359 --> 00:14:28,839 you have people that are speaking for 335 00:14:31,949 --> 00:14:30,369 the first time in front of a thousand 336 00:14:34,109 --> 00:14:31,959 people you know you might have someone 337 00:14:36,749 --> 00:14:34,119 that has done lectures for 20 30 100 338 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:36,759 people but when someone is going to be 339 00:14:40,100 --> 00:14:38,170 in front of 300 people for the first 340 00:14:42,509 --> 00:14:40,110 time they can get they can get quite 341 00:14:44,449 --> 00:14:42,519 rightfully intimidated and nervous and 342 00:14:47,100 --> 00:14:44,459 it's always it's always a fun 343 00:14:48,989 --> 00:14:47,110 hospitality challenge for me to let them 344 00:14:50,519 --> 00:14:48,999 relax let them know like it's going to 345 00:14:52,499 --> 00:14:50,529 be fine it's going to be great you know 346 00:14:54,419 --> 00:14:52,509 you're prepared these people want you to 347 00:14:58,230 --> 00:14:54,429 do well the audience wants you to do 348 00:15:01,410 --> 00:14:58,240 well and to if I can impart a little bit 349 00:15:03,119 --> 00:15:01,420 of comfort into someone that's gonna be 350 00:15:04,949 --> 00:15:03,129 doing a talk it always makes me very 351 00:15:07,259 --> 00:15:04,959 happy and that's kind of that's kind of 352 00:15:08,579 --> 00:15:07,269 part of the unseen job that I have yeah 353 00:15:10,340 --> 00:15:08,589 I get to go out on stage and be silly 354 00:15:12,989 --> 00:15:10,350 and do stupid segues and whatever but 355 00:15:15,869 --> 00:15:12,999 the real fun for me sometimes is to meet 356 00:15:17,460 --> 00:15:15,879 someone backstage help them kind of just 357 00:15:19,559 --> 00:15:17,470 get slightly prepped and then you know 358 00:15:21,329 --> 00:15:19,569 write a haiku or a song about them in a 359 00:15:23,549 --> 00:15:21,339 few minutes and then present in it so 360 00:15:27,090 --> 00:15:23,559 yeah I love it I love it it's it's such 361 00:15:30,419 --> 00:15:27,100 a unique I I really do feel like I'm 362 00:15:33,449 --> 00:15:30,429 kind of a fan ambassador you know in a 363 00:15:35,669 --> 00:15:33,459 weird way that I'm still such a fanboy 364 00:15:38,069 --> 00:15:35,679 of so many of these speakers and 365 00:15:41,009 --> 00:15:38,079 presenters and so many of the concepts 366 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:41,019 that are being presented that I get to 367 00:15:47,309 --> 00:15:44,410 represent the sort of the regular 368 00:15:50,579 --> 00:15:47,319 attendee and and I act like this I'm 369 00:15:54,929 --> 00:15:50,589 like a little you know ambassador just 370 00:15:56,789 --> 00:15:54,939 this this sort of this island of reality 371 00:15:59,879 --> 00:15:56,799 and fandom that's backstage that gets to 372 00:16:01,410 --> 00:15:59,889 observe and I always like to report sort 373 00:16:03,859 --> 00:16:01,420 of what it's like and what people are 374 00:16:07,169 --> 00:16:03,869 actually like and and it's so it's so 375 00:16:11,460 --> 00:16:07,179 pleasant to say that for the vast 376 00:16:13,739 --> 00:16:11,470 majority people are as cool as you would 377 00:16:15,509 --> 00:16:13,749 hope they are you know like you know 378 00:16:16,919 --> 00:16:15,519 you've read someone's book and you hope 379 00:16:18,239 --> 00:16:16,929 they're just nice and then you get to 380 00:16:20,100 --> 00:16:18,249 meet them and you realize oh they're 381 00:16:21,329 --> 00:16:20,110 actually nicer than you would think you 382 00:16:23,429 --> 00:16:21,339 know whether again whether it's you 383 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:23,439 whether it's any any of the people that 384 00:16:27,329 --> 00:16:24,730 have become my friends whether it's the 385 00:16:29,879 --> 00:16:27,339 novellas or what you know it's just so 386 00:16:31,319 --> 00:16:29,889 great to kind of have 387 00:16:33,809 --> 00:16:31,329 confirmation that all these are cool 388 00:16:35,460 --> 00:16:33,819 people like yeah there's no just note 389 00:16:37,079 --> 00:16:35,470 there's very very few jerks yes there 390 00:16:39,359 --> 00:16:37,089 are jerks but there's very minute part 391 00:16:41,099 --> 00:16:39,369 for me there's a very few jerks that are 392 00:16:42,949 --> 00:16:41,109 that are at these events and it's just 393 00:16:46,039 --> 00:16:42,959 it's just nice to get that confirmation 394 00:16:49,199 --> 00:16:46,049 but you're performing in your 395 00:16:51,809 --> 00:16:49,209 musicianship is quite something and I've 396 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:51,819 been to one of your little concerts and 397 00:16:56,159 --> 00:16:54,730 what I mean by that is the intimate ones 398 00:16:58,530 --> 00:16:56,169 in a pub or something like that where 399 00:17:00,989 --> 00:16:58,540 it's just you and a microphone and a 400 00:17:02,369 --> 00:17:00,999 guitar away you go and I thoroughly 401 00:17:05,129 --> 00:17:02,379 enjoyed those because you're seeing all 402 00:17:07,740 --> 00:17:05,139 your hits but what I haven't seen and 403 00:17:09,559 --> 00:17:07,750 what I hope I will see at some stages 404 00:17:12,179 --> 00:17:09,569 the full-blown thing this whole 405 00:17:14,039 --> 00:17:12,189 performing with the Philadelphia thunk 406 00:17:16,559 --> 00:17:14,049 Authority say that's six times quickly 407 00:17:17,870 --> 00:17:16,569 yeah what what's that like as an 408 00:17:21,029 --> 00:17:17,880 experience that must be just 409 00:17:23,970 --> 00:17:21,039 mind-blowing it is it is tremendous it's 410 00:17:25,980 --> 00:17:23,980 it's you know to be in a large band that 411 00:17:28,919 --> 00:17:25,990 band is anywhere from nine to like 11 412 00:17:31,289 --> 00:17:28,929 pieces to being a large band that plays 413 00:17:33,180 --> 00:17:31,299 well and that is tight and it has a fun 414 00:17:35,730 --> 00:17:33,190 performance and as an audience that is 415 00:17:38,279 --> 00:17:35,740 receptive and is playing material that 416 00:17:40,740 --> 00:17:38,289 is just so fun and interesting and 417 00:17:44,159 --> 00:17:40,750 always gets a great response is it's the 418 00:17:45,779 --> 00:17:44,169 best for the fact that and I say this 419 00:17:48,810 --> 00:17:45,789 all the time but the fact that that is 420 00:17:51,389 --> 00:17:48,820 my quote unquote day job that is my gig 421 00:17:54,120 --> 00:17:51,399 you know to play drums in this band is 422 00:17:57,029 --> 00:17:54,130 is beyond exciting and special and I 423 00:17:59,039 --> 00:17:57,039 know and realize how fortunate I am to 424 00:18:01,919 --> 00:17:59,049 be in an organization like that I mean 425 00:18:06,180 --> 00:18:01,929 it's a band that I played drums in we 426 00:18:08,370 --> 00:18:06,190 specialize in soul R&B funk music stuff 427 00:18:12,090 --> 00:18:08,380 that's designed to make people dance and 428 00:18:13,620 --> 00:18:12,100 have a good time we try to recreate you 429 00:18:15,870 --> 00:18:13,630 know all of these incredible songs from 430 00:18:17,519 --> 00:18:15,880 the 70s and 80s and 90s and Beyond but 431 00:18:21,509 --> 00:18:17,529 mostly we sort of focus on Motown and 432 00:18:24,149 --> 00:18:21,519 70s you know a time when you had actual 433 00:18:25,409 --> 00:18:24,159 human beings on stage performing and 434 00:18:27,810 --> 00:18:25,419 playing and playing their instruments 435 00:18:30,299 --> 00:18:27,820 for real and we really pride ourselves 436 00:18:32,100 --> 00:18:30,309 that you know we've got three horn 437 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:32,110 players then they're playing these parts 438 00:18:35,669 --> 00:18:33,850 and they're they're playing their brains 439 00:18:37,190 --> 00:18:35,679 out trying to make these things sound 440 00:18:39,659 --> 00:18:37,200 good and it and there's there's there's 441 00:18:40,919 --> 00:18:39,669 nothing quite like having nine 442 00:18:42,220 --> 00:18:40,929 individuals play their instruments 443 00:18:46,150 --> 00:18:42,230 really really well 444 00:18:48,490 --> 00:18:46,160 and and and kind of gel into this this 445 00:18:49,900 --> 00:18:48,500 event it's it's it's the best I i I'm 446 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:49,910 marvel that we just had a park concert 447 00:18:54,549 --> 00:18:52,250 one of our last as the as the season 448 00:18:58,120 --> 00:18:54,559 sort of as the warmer season ends up 449 00:18:59,860 --> 00:18:58,130 here in the States we do fewer and fewer 450 00:19:01,510 --> 00:18:59,870 Park concerts and one of our last ones 451 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:01,520 was like last about a week and a half 452 00:19:06,789 --> 00:19:04,490 ago and you know it was 2,000 people in 453 00:19:09,090 --> 00:19:06,799 the audience we're playing on this huge 454 00:19:11,590 --> 00:19:09,100 beautiful stage a great sound system and 455 00:19:13,210 --> 00:19:11,600 we're just destroying and I and I kind 456 00:19:16,090 --> 00:19:13,220 of looked over it at some other players 457 00:19:18,580 --> 00:19:16,100 and just I'm still amazed that this is 458 00:19:19,990 --> 00:19:18,590 my day job you know this is this is what 459 00:19:23,230 --> 00:19:20,000 we do and it was just it's just great 460 00:19:27,159 --> 00:19:23,240 it's just as magical as that backstage 461 00:19:29,890 --> 00:19:27,169 area is when once to twice a night you 462 00:19:32,740 --> 00:19:29,900 get about 15 to 20 seconds of everything 463 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:32,750 really perfectly lining up and you find 464 00:19:39,730 --> 00:19:37,610 the groove and the groove just it it 465 00:19:41,289 --> 00:19:39,740 just destroys you it just it literally 466 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:41,299 gives you chills I mean tonight and I it 467 00:19:46,870 --> 00:19:44,570 happens like I said if it happens for 20 468 00:19:49,360 --> 00:19:46,880 seconds in one for our show it's a good 469 00:19:52,570 --> 00:19:49,370 night hmm you get this you get this 470 00:19:55,690 --> 00:19:52,580 thing and it's just it is so unique to 471 00:19:57,460 --> 00:19:55,700 playing to creating art and creating 472 00:19:59,860 --> 00:19:57,470 music in the moment and I just I love it 473 00:20:01,690 --> 00:19:59,870 i'm completely addicted i'm completely 474 00:20:04,780 --> 00:20:01,700 addicted well that's your day job i 475 00:20:06,669 --> 00:20:04,790 guess we could say but also you're known 476 00:20:08,740 --> 00:20:06,679 all around the world for the geologic 477 00:20:11,140 --> 00:20:08,750 podcast goodness me how long has that 478 00:20:12,970 --> 00:20:11,150 been going now it's like six years now i 479 00:20:14,470 --> 00:20:12,980 can't i can't believe it I can't believe 480 00:20:20,049 --> 00:20:14,480 it we just crossed three hundred shows 481 00:20:21,730 --> 00:20:20,059 what about 133 shows it's nuts III never 482 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:21,740 thought it would go this long I never 483 00:20:25,330 --> 00:20:23,570 thought I would get the response that I 484 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:25,340 get I never thought that you know 485 00:20:31,120 --> 00:20:27,770 because of the show I would get to be 486 00:20:33,430 --> 00:20:31,130 you know in Brisbane playing a solo gig 487 00:20:35,350 --> 00:20:33,440 I mean which is literally it's because 488 00:20:39,460 --> 00:20:35,360 of the show that that you got to see me 489 00:20:42,430 --> 00:20:39,470 play in a pub you know uh in Australia 490 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:42,440 it's it's just it's again I'm just so 491 00:20:48,370 --> 00:20:46,250 fortunate was it originally a skeptical 492 00:20:51,190 --> 00:20:48,380 show or just a George Rob show or a 493 00:20:52,899 --> 00:20:51,200 musical yeah and it's still it's still 494 00:20:54,310 --> 00:20:52,909 not really it to me it's not a skeptical 495 00:20:55,420 --> 00:20:54,320 show it's a show that's done by a guy 496 00:20:58,570 --> 00:20:55,430 who's a skeptic 497 00:21:00,160 --> 00:20:58,580 I i I've never though I want to say the 498 00:21:02,380 --> 00:21:00,170 last thing I thought was that it would 499 00:21:03,970 --> 00:21:02,390 be a skeptical show but it was I knew it 500 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:03,980 was going to be through the prism of a 501 00:21:08,710 --> 00:21:06,170 guy that has a certain amount of sort of 502 00:21:11,380 --> 00:21:08,720 skepticism a large amount of skepticism 503 00:21:14,170 --> 00:21:11,390 but then everything he does but I never 504 00:21:16,900 --> 00:21:14,180 intended it to be you know science 505 00:21:19,210 --> 00:21:16,910 skepticism show comedy podcast show it 506 00:21:20,590 --> 00:21:19,220 was just me blathering about stuff and 507 00:21:22,060 --> 00:21:20,600 the stuff that I find interesting a lot 508 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:22,070 of it happens to deal with science and 509 00:21:27,100 --> 00:21:24,530 skepticism and critical thinking and I 510 00:21:31,870 --> 00:21:27,110 still I still you know to me it's it's 511 00:21:33,490 --> 00:21:31,880 it is a brain sorbet you know that if 512 00:21:35,530 --> 00:21:33,500 you're into skepticism and you're into 513 00:21:37,420 --> 00:21:35,540 science and you want like another show 514 00:21:40,540 --> 00:21:37,430 along those lines but you don't want it 515 00:21:41,860 --> 00:21:40,550 to be super hard hitting skepticism you 516 00:21:43,300 --> 00:21:41,870 listen to me be silly for a little bit 517 00:21:45,220 --> 00:21:43,310 maybe tell a few stories about playing 518 00:21:48,610 --> 00:21:45,230 in bands or some observation or talk to 519 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:48,620 my mom or whatever and you know that 520 00:21:53,260 --> 00:21:50,450 it's gonna it's you're not going to 521 00:21:55,330 --> 00:21:53,270 cringe you'll cringe for for many 522 00:21:57,370 --> 00:21:55,340 reasons but you will never cringe 523 00:21:59,200 --> 00:21:57,380 because the science is bad or because 524 00:22:01,690 --> 00:21:59,210 I'm talking about energy or I'm talking 525 00:22:04,150 --> 00:22:01,700 about ghosts or sometime credulous right 526 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:04,160 so I think it provides a certain you can 527 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:06,890 relax and just you can cringe at me 528 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:08,930 being embarrassed with some situation 529 00:22:13,450 --> 00:22:11,090 that has occurred but the cringing will 530 00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:13,460 never be like oh boy another example of 531 00:22:19,900 --> 00:22:17,440 a credulous you know person not not 532 00:22:21,730 --> 00:22:19,910 questioning a ghost story or whatever so 533 00:22:24,010 --> 00:22:21,740 I think that's that's been my role 534 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:24,020 within the skeptic kind of community or 535 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:25,490 the science podcast community and I 536 00:22:30,100 --> 00:22:28,010 gladly sort of take that role but I've 537 00:22:31,690 --> 00:22:30,110 never and I have to have to remind 538 00:22:33,130 --> 00:22:31,700 people of that sometimes when I get 539 00:22:35,290 --> 00:22:33,140 emails about you know why aren't you 540 00:22:38,500 --> 00:22:35,300 talking about this or or why don't you 541 00:22:40,450 --> 00:22:38,510 interview these people or why isn't 542 00:22:42,790 --> 00:22:40,460 there more science or whatever it's kind 543 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:42,800 of like you know this was never meant to 544 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:45,290 be that I don't I don't want it to 545 00:22:51,010 --> 00:22:48,410 solely be that and if I want to have an 546 00:22:52,990 --> 00:22:51,020 interlude where I try to recreate all 547 00:22:54,550 --> 00:22:53,000 the parts of a pink floyd album like I'm 548 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:54,560 gonna do it because it's my prerogative 549 00:22:59,620 --> 00:22:56,810 you know and unfortunately there's 550 00:23:02,410 --> 00:22:59,630 enough weirdos out there that enjoy that 551 00:23:04,360 --> 00:23:02,420 kind of programming so I'm very lucky by 552 00:23:06,910 --> 00:23:04,370 the time I had in Australia those 553 00:23:08,380 --> 00:23:06,920 whatever that was nine days I had I mean 554 00:23:11,410 --> 00:23:08,390 in terms of overall 555 00:23:13,690 --> 00:23:11,420 all nine days of awesomeness it's 556 00:23:15,550 --> 00:23:13,700 amongst the nut best nine days of my 557 00:23:17,740 --> 00:23:15,560 life it's just I've had events I've had 558 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:17,750 I've had concerts and individual sort of 559 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:19,250 things that have happened that have been 560 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:21,170 amazing throughout my life I'm very 561 00:23:25,660 --> 00:23:23,450 lucky in that way but boy to go to 562 00:23:27,820 --> 00:23:25,670 Melbourne and and and brisbane and 563 00:23:31,630 --> 00:23:27,830 sydney and adelaide and christchurch and 564 00:23:33,370 --> 00:23:31,640 cans and visit all these places it was 565 00:23:35,980 --> 00:23:33,380 just and to have the reception I did I 566 00:23:38,410 --> 00:23:35,990 can't wait to get back I can't wait to 567 00:23:39,940 --> 00:23:38,420 get back it's been far too long George 568 00:23:42,130 --> 00:23:39,950 it's been far too long I think you 569 00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:42,140 should start eyeing up a possible return 570 00:23:46,410 --> 00:23:45,200 visit ok i will i will start planning i 571 00:23:49,870 --> 00:23:46,420 will start saving the pennies now 572 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:49,880 although in the meantime if people in 573 00:23:53,890 --> 00:23:51,770 Australia are interested to see kind of 574 00:23:55,690 --> 00:23:53,900 what I'm about or what first off they 575 00:23:58,270 --> 00:23:55,700 can of course continue to the geologic 576 00:24:01,000 --> 00:23:58,280 podcast every week geologic podcast calm 577 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:01,010 if they haven't yet already but I have 578 00:24:06,010 --> 00:24:03,650 this new DVD out that I'm really really 579 00:24:09,010 --> 00:24:06,020 proud of and really happy it's called to 580 00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:09,020 1812 and it's it features the geologic 581 00:24:12,700 --> 00:24:10,880 Orchestra which is kind of like the funk 582 00:24:14,740 --> 00:24:12,710 band it's a lot of the same guys that 583 00:24:17,650 --> 00:24:14,750 are in the funk band but they're doing 584 00:24:19,690 --> 00:24:17,660 my material we filmed a two and a half 585 00:24:23,770 --> 00:24:19,700 hour concert about a year and a half ago 586 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:23,780 and are the DVD is out it features a 587 00:24:29,110 --> 00:24:25,610 bunch of my songs and it also features 588 00:24:31,270 --> 00:24:29,120 our mutual friend phil plait uh-huh who 589 00:24:33,100 --> 00:24:31,280 does he does the it does he sings on one 590 00:24:35,170 --> 00:24:33,110 of the songs are he he narrates one of 591 00:24:37,090 --> 00:24:35,180 the songs i should say the one that's 592 00:24:38,740 --> 00:24:37,100 named after his book death from the 593 00:24:40,540 --> 00:24:38,750 skies alright so of course is called 594 00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:40,550 death from the skies and he does it live 595 00:24:46,570 --> 00:24:43,130 and it's it's it's a it's a really 596 00:24:49,300 --> 00:24:46,580 really cool sort of culmination of 597 00:24:52,780 --> 00:24:49,310 having the actual bad astronomer himself 598 00:24:55,330 --> 00:24:52,790 here in Bethlehem narrating this song 599 00:24:58,110 --> 00:24:55,340 about the ways that the ways the world 600 00:25:01,240 --> 00:24:58,120 could end through different astrological 601 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:01,250 astronomical phenomena it's very very 602 00:25:08,350 --> 00:25:04,850 fun I have already sent a boatload of 603 00:25:09,790 --> 00:25:08,360 these to australia and the so far the 604 00:25:12,130 --> 00:25:09,800 the reviews have been very very positive 605 00:25:14,470 --> 00:25:12,140 which is very again warms my heart very 606 00:25:18,790 --> 00:25:14,480 much and how can people get a company of 607 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:18,800 the DVD if they go to cdbaby.com / 608 00:25:25,570 --> 00:25:22,010 George Rob my name hre be George 609 00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:25,580 cdbaby com / George Rob you can get the 610 00:25:30,460 --> 00:25:28,130 DVD sent right to your house and it's 611 00:25:32,980 --> 00:25:30,470 yeah you can also tune in to the 612 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:32,990 geologic podcast and we have the first 613 00:25:39,820 --> 00:25:36,650 bought the first hour of audio was in my 614 00:25:40,900 --> 00:25:39,830 show for free you can just if you want 615 00:25:42,550 --> 00:25:40,910 to hear what it sounds like and see if 616 00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:42,560 it's interesting you can listen to it 617 00:25:47,140 --> 00:25:44,720 and then you can order it if you're if 618 00:25:49,090 --> 00:25:47,150 you're interested again it's a it's a 619 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:49,100 fun it's a fun time it's a really I'm 620 00:25:53,380 --> 00:25:51,050 really pleased with it getting back to 621 00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:53,390 that idea of actual human beings 622 00:26:01,140 --> 00:25:56,480 performing actually performing live it's 623 00:26:03,820 --> 00:26:01,150 a it's a less less frequently seen thing 624 00:26:05,230 --> 00:26:03,830 and it's just nice a nice testament to 625 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:05,240 the guys in the band and how well they 626 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:07,970 play and how well the performance came 627 00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:10,730 across so check it out I'm very happy 628 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:14,720 with it I I must admit I started 629 00:26:21,100 --> 00:26:18,530 listening to the 365 days of astronomy 630 00:26:24,100 --> 00:26:21,110 podcast when did that start way back in 631 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:24,110 2008 I think and it took me a little 632 00:26:29,050 --> 00:26:26,570 while to realize that the theme song was 633 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:29,060 actually you and I didn't it did this 634 00:26:34,510 --> 00:26:32,090 little nugget escape me until I saw the 635 00:26:40,270 --> 00:26:34,520 video clip and I thought why is George 636 00:26:43,060 --> 00:26:40,280 doing this oh it's here and I was so 637 00:26:45,850 --> 00:26:43,070 impressed that you went out there by 638 00:26:48,790 --> 00:26:45,860 yourself with a camera and made a really 639 00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:48,800 fun film clip I'm and I sort of it's 640 00:26:52,900 --> 00:26:51,200 sort of like you know I've seen it so 641 00:26:56,050 --> 00:26:52,910 many times now I sort of feel like it's 642 00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:56,060 Abbey Road if when I went to London 25 643 00:26:59,920 --> 00:26:57,650 years ago I walked across the zebra 644 00:27:02,110 --> 00:26:59,930 crossing an abbey road if I ever go due 645 00:27:04,300 --> 00:27:02,120 to Bethlehem I want to go to the rooftop 646 00:27:06,220 --> 00:27:04,310 where George arab boys wearing this 647 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:06,230 silly we will do it my friend yes when I 648 00:27:09,490 --> 00:27:08,210 come to New York will take a day trip 649 00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:09,500 down a bath line and we'll get you on 650 00:27:12,250 --> 00:27:10,880 the rooftop and yeah you'll walk down 651 00:27:14,830 --> 00:27:12,260 Main Street well gets her on the rooftop 652 00:27:17,980 --> 00:27:14,840 yeah that that video was you know it was 653 00:27:20,860 --> 00:27:17,990 such a fun experiment to literally do a 654 00:27:22,780 --> 00:27:20,870 one man I mean I had no crew I had to 655 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:22,790 set the camera up I had to walk into the 656 00:27:27,940 --> 00:27:24,650 shot I had to edit it all together and 657 00:27:29,380 --> 00:27:27,950 and you know another testament to 658 00:27:31,870 --> 00:27:29,390 technology you know the fact that a 659 00:27:33,910 --> 00:27:31,880 clueless drummer from Bethlehem can he 660 00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:33,920 can cut together a video that's that's 661 00:27:37,150 --> 00:27:35,130 thanks to Apple 662 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:37,160 because it has very little to do with me 663 00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:40,170 it's the easies with which video 664 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:42,480 production can be done nowadays yeah 665 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:45,090 that thing has gotten some very lovely 666 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:48,690 numbers of hits and responses kids love 667 00:27:54,410 --> 00:27:50,850 it thats that's to me which is so fun i 668 00:27:59,810 --> 00:27:54,420 mean i have parents send me videos of 669 00:28:02,450 --> 00:27:59,820 their kids dancing to my video i have 670 00:28:05,180 --> 00:28:02,460 probably a dozen or more video clips of 671 00:28:09,530 --> 00:28:05,190 children just I mean there is nothing 672 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:09,540 more purely filled with joy than a kid 673 00:28:15,830 --> 00:28:13,290 just dancing you know five ten year olds 674 00:28:18,110 --> 00:28:15,840 whatever kids just just bugging and it's 675 00:28:19,850 --> 00:28:18,120 it's it's funny I do look back at that 676 00:28:22,190 --> 00:28:19,860 every now and then and i kind of think 677 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:22,200 like how did i do that i have if i had 678 00:28:27,050 --> 00:28:23,610 to recreate that that would be that 679 00:28:28,340 --> 00:28:27,060 would be quite a quite a task to refill 680 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:28,350 mitten tree and redo it but you know 681 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:30,330 it's the it's the exuberance of 682 00:28:35,930 --> 00:28:33,450 ignorance you know the kind of you dive 683 00:28:38,900 --> 00:28:35,940 into a project not having any clue how 684 00:28:40,550 --> 00:28:38,910 difficult it is and your exuberance kind 685 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:40,560 of carries you through it's almost like 686 00:28:45,230 --> 00:28:43,650 a you know inertia kind of carries you 687 00:28:47,180 --> 00:28:45,240 through the project and you realize how 688 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:47,190 cool you know so when we were doing the 689 00:28:52,010 --> 00:28:50,010 218 went to DVD was a similar kind of 690 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:52,020 thing you sort of you you you think you 691 00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:53,610 know what's going to be involved in 692 00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:56,640 doing a two plus our you know video 693 00:29:00,200 --> 00:28:58,080 shoot and then you get into the middle 694 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:00,210 of it and it's like oh my gosh there is 695 00:29:04,610 --> 00:29:03,090 just so much to do but every step is 696 00:29:06,790 --> 00:29:04,620 exciting because it gets you one inch 697 00:29:10,340 --> 00:29:06,800 closer to the to the final product so 698 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:10,350 well i'm a particular fan as you know of 699 00:29:15,740 --> 00:29:13,170 the the song fire Zeds i think it's a 700 00:29:18,260 --> 00:29:15,750 really really clever song it's so much 701 00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:18,270 so that far is the song that they 702 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:20,880 listened to on the on the solar flare 703 00:29:27,670 --> 00:29:24,810 saying oh my gosh i'm so honored no 704 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:27,680 honor yeah it's great well George um 705 00:29:32,690 --> 00:29:30,810 it's it's all good it's it's so fun to 706 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:32,700 listen to geologic podcast and see or 707 00:29:38,030 --> 00:29:35,250 DVDs you're a man of many hats as we 708 00:29:41,630 --> 00:29:38,040 could see on the video I might say yes I 709 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:41,640 literally really literally and I'm sure 710 00:29:47,330 --> 00:29:45,210 that we we normally catch up at least 711 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:47,340 once if we're lucky sometimes if I'm 712 00:29:51,090 --> 00:29:49,090 like you sometimes twice a year 713 00:29:53,790 --> 00:29:51,100 I'm sure that's going to be the story 714 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:53,800 for the next 20 years I know that funny 715 00:29:57,690 --> 00:29:55,810 and yet it's like no time has passed its 716 00:29:59,580 --> 00:29:57,700 like any any sort of you know family or 717 00:30:01,380 --> 00:29:59,590 for our good friendship it's I think 718 00:30:04,290 --> 00:30:01,390 it's that kind of relationship that you 719 00:30:06,150 --> 00:30:04,300 that you foster sort of in the trenches 720 00:30:08,310 --> 00:30:06,160 quote unquote those are the most special 721 00:30:10,170 --> 00:30:08,320 ones it's Maynard and I were just 722 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:10,180 talking about this how like you know 723 00:30:17,250 --> 00:30:13,690 I've spoken to Maynard you know a total 724 00:30:19,530 --> 00:30:17,260 of seventy minutes maybe you know over 725 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:19,540 the course of whatever five years maybe 726 00:30:24,300 --> 00:30:22,330 maybe 2-3 hours maybe if you if you add 727 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:24,310 up all of our conversations and yet he 728 00:30:27,690 --> 00:30:26,050 feels like a relative and if I were to 729 00:30:29,220 --> 00:30:27,700 see him in the next five minutes we 730 00:30:31,500 --> 00:30:29,230 would totally just be on the same you 731 00:30:33,150 --> 00:30:31,510 know page same with you saying with all 732 00:30:35,460 --> 00:30:33,160 my all my sort of friends you know dr. 733 00:30:38,190 --> 00:30:35,470 rachy or or anybody that you sort of 734 00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:38,200 bump into once a year but it's just so 735 00:30:41,910 --> 00:30:40,240 nice that the that the conversation in 736 00:30:43,860 --> 00:30:41,920 the relationship just picks off exact 737 00:30:46,620 --> 00:30:43,870 picks up exactly where where it stopped 738 00:30:48,750 --> 00:30:46,630 and it's it's I'm very grateful for that 739 00:30:50,550 --> 00:30:48,760 and it's very it's very cool i keep 740 00:30:53,580 --> 00:30:50,560 using that term but there's it's just so 741 00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:53,590 cool it really is and it's like that for 742 00:30:58,950 --> 00:30:57,370 me when I these big events and it really 743 00:31:01,650 --> 00:30:58,960 is the only time I get to see people 744 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:01,660 like you all the novellas or you know 745 00:31:05,790 --> 00:31:04,090 lots of the gang we might say and it is 746 00:31:08,150 --> 00:31:05,800 it's like oh here we are again what were 747 00:31:10,860 --> 00:31:08,160 we saying and it's it's it's quite funny 748 00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:10,870 right right i think the podcasts also 749 00:31:16,290 --> 00:31:13,510 provide a lovely opportunity to kind of 750 00:31:18,390 --> 00:31:16,300 stay in touch you know on a weekly basis 751 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:18,400 without staying in touch yeah you know 752 00:31:21,660 --> 00:31:20,290 so you know I know what you're up to I 753 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:21,670 know where you've been traveling or 754 00:31:25,860 --> 00:31:23,770 whether it's Twitter or Facebook or 755 00:31:27,510 --> 00:31:25,870 whatever to there is kind of this you 756 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:27,520 get a semblance of an idea of what a 757 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:28,570 person is going through and then when 758 00:31:31,770 --> 00:31:30,370 you catch up you can say hey how was 759 00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:31,780 your trip to Colorado or how was your 760 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:33,840 trip that you know yeah it's it's 761 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:38,290 amongst the horrors that that the new 762 00:31:41,460 --> 00:31:40,330 technology can provide that's one of the 763 00:31:43,980 --> 00:31:41,470 few things that I think are really 764 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:43,990 wonderful and valuable about social 765 00:31:50,460 --> 00:31:45,850 media is that you really can have these 766 00:31:53,250 --> 00:31:50,470 kind of international relationships that 767 00:31:55,020 --> 00:31:53,260 can span miles and miles and years and 768 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:55,030 years and yet be just as real as any 769 00:31:59,250 --> 00:31:56,050 other kind of relationship you could 770 00:32:01,320 --> 00:31:59,260 have it's so interesting because when i 771 00:32:02,370 --> 00:32:01,330 was younger traveling the world this 772 00:32:04,770 --> 00:32:02,380 simply didn't exist 773 00:32:06,090 --> 00:32:04,780 but it's come along now and I've seen 774 00:32:08,460 --> 00:32:06,100 the you know the introduction of the 775 00:32:11,550 --> 00:32:08,470 internet is you have and we are now so 776 00:32:13,890 --> 00:32:11,560 immersed in it but we know the 777 00:32:15,180 --> 00:32:13,900 difference and kids growing up now the 778 00:32:17,370 --> 00:32:15,190 younger generation the digital 779 00:32:19,740 --> 00:32:17,380 generation they call it they don't they 780 00:32:21,300 --> 00:32:19,750 simply don't know that there was how it 781 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:21,310 was to be a time where you weren't 782 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:22,810 always in touch with people anywhere 783 00:32:27,300 --> 00:32:25,570 it's not rated it's like it's like I 784 00:32:28,530 --> 00:32:27,310 can't picture what it was like to not 785 00:32:30,060 --> 00:32:28,540 have a telephone you know my 786 00:32:31,260 --> 00:32:30,070 grandparents good and they knew what I 787 00:32:33,060 --> 00:32:31,270 was like to not have a telephone and to 788 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:33,070 me it's like you know I can't fathom not 789 00:32:37,020 --> 00:32:35,170 being able to call somebody well now 790 00:32:38,940 --> 00:32:37,030 it's just you know you can't fathom not 791 00:32:41,850 --> 00:32:38,950 to be able to instant message someone or 792 00:32:43,950 --> 00:32:41,860 tweet someone or whatever yeah it's the 793 00:32:46,020 --> 00:32:43,960 way it goes it's it's it's there's a 794 00:32:48,330 --> 00:32:46,030 price for it you know you lose a certain 795 00:32:50,820 --> 00:32:48,340 bit of intimacy or privacy or whatever 796 00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:50,830 but if you're willing to pay it gosh you 797 00:32:53,700 --> 00:32:52,480 can have relationships like like we have 798 00:32:56,460 --> 00:32:53,710 and it's really it's really interesting 799 00:32:58,350 --> 00:32:56,470 and fascinating yeah well we'll see what 800 00:33:00,990 --> 00:32:58,360 the future brings and i hope the future 801 00:33:03,090 --> 00:33:01,000 is George horeb back to Australia in 802 00:33:05,490 --> 00:33:03,100 fact I'm going to UM I think we should 803 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:05,500 put little wheels in motion Geo I think 804 00:33:11,900 --> 00:33:06,970 we should but we should aim for that 805 00:33:16,830 --> 00:33:14,490 maybe little aircraft in motion might be 806 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:16,840 more practical okay i guess there might 807 00:33:20,730 --> 00:33:18,370 be a little more here for little wings 808 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:20,740 yeah with little or no absolutely 809 00:33:24,420 --> 00:33:21,970 absolutely yeah we'll make it happen 810 00:33:26,220 --> 00:33:24,430 let's make it happen well George Rob 811 00:33:27,930 --> 00:33:26,230 it's a pleasure to catch up with you as 812 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:27,940 always I can't wait to see you wherever 813 00:33:32,790 --> 00:33:30,370 that might be be it here in Sydney or 814 00:33:35,460 --> 00:33:32,800 New York or Las Vegas for the amazing 815 00:33:37,740 --> 00:33:35,470 meeting or or some strange other 816 00:33:40,890 --> 00:33:37,750 destinations somewhere around the world 817 00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:40,900 and for now George rub all the way over 818 00:33:48,910 --> 00:33:42,640 there in Pennsylvania thank you very 819 00:33:54,380 --> 00:33:51,830 SuperDuper crazy man I just full of ways 820 00:34:02,180 --> 00:33:54,390 i discussed 821 00:34:02,190 --> 00:34:25,060 pretty damn far 822 00:34:29,720 --> 00:34:27,260 according to the US Centers for Disease 823 00:34:31,129 --> 00:34:29,730 Control and Prevention America is 824 00:34:33,369 --> 00:34:31,139 experiencing one of the largest 825 00:34:35,740 --> 00:34:33,379 outbreaks of reported pertussis cases 826 00:34:39,050 --> 00:34:35,750 also known as whooping cough in 827 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:39,060 approximately 50 years infants are 828 00:34:42,649 --> 00:34:40,770 particularly vulnerable to pertussis 829 00:34:44,659 --> 00:34:42,659 researchers found when it could be 830 00:34:46,669 --> 00:34:44,669 determined how an infant cough pertussis 831 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:46,679 family members were responsible for 832 00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:48,450 spreading the disease to the baby and up 833 00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:51,119 to eighty percent of cases and parents 834 00:34:55,369 --> 00:34:53,040 were responsible up to fifty percent of 835 00:34:57,380 --> 00:34:55,379 the time Emmy Award winner sarah 836 00:34:59,660 --> 00:34:57,390 michelle gellar is not only a successful 837 00:35:01,910 --> 00:34:59,670 actress that prides herself on being the 838 00:35:03,890 --> 00:35:01,920 best mom she can be now the mother of 839 00:35:06,349 --> 00:35:03,900 two sarah is working with the March of 840 00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:06,359 Dimes and santa fe pastor on the sounds 841 00:35:10,849 --> 00:35:08,640 of pertussis campaign to inspire others 842 00:35:13,070 --> 00:35:10,859 to get their adult Tdap pertussis 843 00:35:15,650 --> 00:35:13,080 vaccine to help protect themselves and 844 00:35:18,170 --> 00:35:15,660 help stop the spread of pertussis to the 845 00:35:19,940 --> 00:35:18,180 infants in their lives I've had a lot of 846 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:19,950 exciting things happen in my life but 847 00:35:24,050 --> 00:35:21,690 they all take a backseat to the birth of 848 00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:24,060 my two amazing children no matter how 849 00:35:28,030 --> 00:35:26,250 busy I may get my family and their help 850 00:35:30,580 --> 00:35:28,040 will always be my number one 851 00:35:32,260 --> 00:35:30,590 when babies are born they are at risk of 852 00:35:34,570 --> 00:35:32,270 becoming infected with pertussis a 853 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:34,580 highly contagious vaccine-preventable 854 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:37,130 disease in adults and adolescents the 855 00:35:41,860 --> 00:35:39,530 disease is typically milder but in young 856 00:35:43,300 --> 00:35:41,870 babies it can be potentially feel that's 857 00:35:45,610 --> 00:35:43,310 why I not only made sure that I was 858 00:35:47,140 --> 00:35:45,620 vaccinated against pertussis but I asked 859 00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:47,150 my friends and family to get the vaccine 860 00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:49,040 as well I decided to join march of dimes 861 00:35:53,050 --> 00:35:51,680 and Santa Fe past or in the sound super 862 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:53,060 test his campaign to help educate 863 00:35:57,610 --> 00:35:56,450 parents grandparents and any caregiver 864 00:35:59,980 --> 00:35:57,620 about the importance of getting 865 00:36:02,200 --> 00:35:59,990 vaccinated with the adult Tdap vaccine 866 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:02,210 the way I see it as parents it's our 867 00:36:05,830 --> 00:36:04,010 responsibility to keep baby safe and 868 00:36:07,810 --> 00:36:05,840 what better way to keep them safe than 869 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:07,820 to help stop the spread of pertussis I'm 870 00:36:11,530 --> 00:36:09,410 particularly excited about the 871 00:36:13,540 --> 00:36:11,540 campaign's new facebook application the 872 00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:13,550 breathing room the breathing room allows 873 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:15,680 parents to send a brief message to 874 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:18,170 family members and caregivers to make a 875 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:20,090 pledge to get vaccinated against 876 00:36:25,210 --> 00:36:22,370 pertussis the best way to help prevent 877 00:36:27,730 --> 00:36:25,220 pertussis is timely vaccination with the 878 00:36:30,010 --> 00:36:27,740 recommended pertussis vaccines learn 879 00:36:32,290 --> 00:36:30,020 more at sounds of pertussis calm and 880 00:36:35,050 --> 00:36:32,300 build your baby's own breathing room at 881 00:36:44,380 --> 00:36:35,060 sounds of pertussis calm / breathing 882 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:47,120 welcome to a week in science from our 883 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:49,530 iOS bringing you the science news you 884 00:36:54,830 --> 00:36:52,290 need to know this week in science saw 885 00:36:56,690 --> 00:36:54,840 the importance of little diggers the 886 00:37:07,880 --> 00:36:56,700 death toll from air pollution and 887 00:37:10,340 --> 00:37:07,890 amazing 3d x-rays of the rats are the 888 00:37:13,490 --> 00:37:10,350 decline of little Aussie diggers may be 889 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:13,500 degrading our ecosystems digging mammals 890 00:37:18,500 --> 00:37:16,050 like bilbies Bandicoot spotter oohs and 891 00:37:21,410 --> 00:37:18,510 echidnas mix up nutrients and promote 892 00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:21,420 decomposition improving nutrient-poor 893 00:37:25,940 --> 00:37:24,000 soils digging and scratching also 894 00:37:28,610 --> 00:37:25,950 improves water absorption which 895 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:28,620 decreases surface runoff and erosion the 896 00:37:33,500 --> 00:37:31,050 gradual disappearance of digging species 897 00:37:38,300 --> 00:37:33,510 has stopped these excavating services in 898 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:38,310 our ecosystem suffer as a result could 899 00:37:43,490 --> 00:37:40,770 our inaction on greenhouse gas emissions 900 00:37:46,310 --> 00:37:43,500 kill people in the future it's been 901 00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:46,320 estimated that in the year 2100 between 902 00:37:51,350 --> 00:37:48,480 one point four and three million 903 00:37:53,900 --> 00:37:51,360 premature deaths will be caused by air 904 00:37:56,270 --> 00:37:53,910 pollution this assumes that no big 905 00:37:58,610 --> 00:37:56,280 global effort is made to improve air 906 00:38:00,410 --> 00:37:58,620 quality there is a double benefit to 907 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:00,420 cleaning up air pollution which will 908 00:38:05,390 --> 00:38:02,970 also decrease greenhouse gas emissions 909 00:38:08,060 --> 00:38:05,400 and reduce the effects of climate change 910 00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:08,070 you're listening to a week in science 911 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:10,560 from our iOS and now for science 912 00:38:16,329 --> 00:38:14,130 headlines in 30 seconds 913 00:38:20,089 --> 00:38:16,339 early Earth may have resembled Jupiter's 914 00:38:22,130 --> 00:38:20,099 volcanically active moon Io the oldest 915 00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:22,140 fossil with a recognizable face 916 00:38:29,420 --> 00:38:24,960 including a modern jaw has been found in 917 00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:29,430 China dated at 419 million years give or 918 00:38:33,289 --> 00:38:31,440 take a couple of days scientists at the 919 00:38:36,019 --> 00:38:33,299 Australian synchrotron have released a 920 00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:36,029 cool video of a 3d rat heart and 921 00:38:40,579 --> 00:38:38,160 researchers have found that exposing you 922 00:38:42,589 --> 00:38:40,589 to scary things while you're asleep can 923 00:38:46,460 --> 00:38:42,599 reduce your fear of it when you're awake 924 00:38:48,650 --> 00:38:46,470 on Tuesday a major earthquake struck 925 00:38:51,259 --> 00:38:48,660 Pakistan with a death toll in the 926 00:38:52,849 --> 00:38:51,269 hundreds and rising one of the curious 927 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:52,859 effects of this quake has been the 928 00:38:57,380 --> 00:38:54,890 formation of a new island off the coast 929 00:38:59,720 --> 00:38:57,390 pictures of this phenomenon have spread 930 00:39:01,819 --> 00:38:59,730 through social media that's it for this 931 00:39:03,950 --> 00:39:01,829 a week in science for more information 932 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:03,960 on these and other science news stories 933 00:39:11,150 --> 00:39:08,970 go to the Arias website RI aus org dot a 934 00:39:14,089 --> 00:39:11,160 you follow us on Twitter using the 935 00:39:16,819 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Stefan Soyka of the 938 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:37,260 functioning spinal cord Research 939 00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:39,690 Institute every day in our clinics 940 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:41,730 across the world we see thousands of 941 00:39:45,890 --> 00:39:43,890 patients who have fully intact spinal 942 00:39:47,660 --> 00:39:45,900 cords and have absolutely no trouble 943 00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:47,670 walking or waving their arms about 944 00:39:51,710 --> 00:39:49,920 thanks in no small part to the great 945 00:39:54,620 --> 00:39:51,720 work that we do here at the Institute 946 00:39:56,750 --> 00:39:54,630 and your generous donations keeping 947 00:39:59,120 --> 00:39:56,760 spinal cords intact is becoming more 948 00:40:02,030 --> 00:39:59,130 challenging by the day as YouTube 949 00:40:04,700 --> 00:40:02,040 Facebook liveleak and vines insatiable 950 00:40:07,130 --> 00:40:04,710 voracious appetite for videos of young 951 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:07,140 people acting like idiots entices an 952 00:40:12,110 --> 00:40:09,570 entire generation of young people to act 953 00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:12,120 like idiots and causing them to risk the 954 00:40:16,070 --> 00:40:14,160 possibility of never needing to visit 955 00:40:18,830 --> 00:40:16,080 the functioning spinal cord research 956 00:40:20,900 --> 00:40:18,840 institute ever again this poses a great 957 00:40:23,420 --> 00:40:20,910 threat to our share price so we have had 958 00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:23,430 to take drastic action our hand-picked 959 00:40:27,290 --> 00:40:25,440 team of scientists lyricists and 960 00:40:29,930 --> 00:40:27,300 musicologists have created the ultimate 961 00:40:31,970 --> 00:40:29,940 solution to maintaining a functioning 962 00:40:38,350 --> 00:40:31,980 spinal column a three and a half minute 963 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:42,470 accident just fine 964 00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:45,230 we never get to be 965 00:40:51,110 --> 00:40:48,720 and your limbs are going to go 966 00:40:56,539 --> 00:40:51,120 feels like you can 967 00:41:05,780 --> 00:40:56,549 be in a wheelchair yeah yeah so be aware 968 00:41:11,090 --> 00:41:08,660 with an ingenious application of rhythm 969 00:41:13,310 --> 00:41:11,100 rhyme melody and harmonic progression 970 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:13,320 mind your back will enter into the 971 00:41:18,410 --> 00:41:15,570 cerebral cortex of young people at risk 972 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:18,420 of not having an intact spine and just 973 00:41:23,300 --> 00:41:20,850 like Leonardo DiCaprio in inception will 974 00:41:25,730 --> 00:41:23,310 implant a new thought in in mines to 975 00:41:27,740 --> 00:41:25,740 decide not to do a parkour inspired 976 00:41:29,450 --> 00:41:27,750 faceplant triple somersault landing 977 00:41:31,370 --> 00:41:29,460 headfirst into concrete or Donna 978 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:31,380 wingsuit and plow into the side of a 979 00:41:35,390 --> 00:41:33,090 cliff thinking that a caffeinated energy 980 00:41:37,340 --> 00:41:35,400 drink makes them immortal and instead 981 00:41:39,830 --> 00:41:37,350 step calmly away from the precipice 982 00:41:41,900 --> 00:41:39,840 hitch a ride in a Volvo to one of our 983 00:41:44,180 --> 00:41:41,910 local functioning spinal cord Research 984 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:44,190 Institute clinics and join our patient 985 00:41:49,310 --> 00:41:46,530 program of mobile limbed humans living 986 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:49,320 long healthy and fulfilling lives waving 987 00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:50,970 their arms and legs about without the 988 00:42:01,250 --> 00:41:58,540 I do 989 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:01,260 we never have to do 990 00:42:06,220 --> 00:42:03,650 happened to someone else 991 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:06,230 then you wake up in the spinal Ward and 992 00:42:12,250 --> 00:42:08,330 find yourself just final call that 993 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:12,260 someone else has now become your own 994 00:42:17,150 --> 00:42:14,130 and the screamin n 995 00:42:20,859 --> 00:42:17,160 richa saw was a phantom paint be able to 996 00:42:24,609 --> 00:42:20,869 walk again remorseful and disdain 997 00:42:29,299 --> 00:42:27,349 please help the functioning spinal cord 998 00:42:31,579 --> 00:42:29,309 Research Institute to increase our 999 00:42:34,309 --> 00:42:31,589 intake of new patients by purchasing 1000 00:42:37,339 --> 00:42:34,319 your copy of mind your back today go to 1001 00:42:39,709 --> 00:42:37,349 itunes or amazon and search mind your 1002 00:42:41,569 --> 00:42:39,719 back and if you know anyone who might 1003 00:42:44,089 --> 00:42:41,579 not be at risk of having a fully 1004 00:42:46,339 --> 00:42:44,099 functioning spine please email them the 1005 00:42:51,930 --> 00:42:46,349 link allowing us to infect their mind 1006 00:42:58,660 --> 00:42:54,330 sorry would never have 1007 00:43:00,859 --> 00:42:58,670 you know when even happens to girls now 1008 00:43:02,020 --> 00:43:00,869 friends give me a little too drunk and 1009 00:43:04,730 --> 00:43:02,030 action 1010 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:04,740 driving cars a little too dangerously 1011 00:43:15,420 --> 00:43:12,230 spinal cord injury prevention is much 1012 00:43:19,180 --> 00:43:17,890 fix it but just like Superman you really 1013 00:43:26,589 --> 00:43:19,190 good 1014 00:43:26,599 --> 00:43:37,120 i'm dr. stefan cyka 1015 00:43:41,390 --> 00:43:39,650 the Canadian public has been poorly 1016 00:43:43,310 --> 00:43:41,400 served by a government which displays 1017 00:43:47,150 --> 00:43:43,320 little respect for objectivity and 1018 00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:47,160 science Canadians are taken advantage of 1019 00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:48,690 through wheat consumer protection 1020 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:50,640 regulations that allow the sale of 1021 00:43:55,010 --> 00:43:52,650 products and services that don't work 1022 00:43:56,450 --> 00:43:55,020 and our media is all too willing to 1023 00:43:58,490 --> 00:43:56,460 report dubious claims without 1024 00:44:02,510 --> 00:43:58,500 examination if it will attract readers 1025 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:02,520 and sell advertising individual freedom 1026 00:44:06,740 --> 00:44:04,770 of choice is being jeopardized as the 1027 00:44:09,830 --> 00:44:06,750 unscrupulous or misinformed attempt to 1028 00:44:13,460 --> 00:44:09,840 influence our important decisions it's 1029 00:44:15,860 --> 00:44:13,470 time for a change bad science watches a 1030 00:44:18,260 --> 00:44:15,870 new activist organization that will 1031 00:44:20,180 --> 00:44:18,270 challenge the media advertisers and 1032 00:44:21,650 --> 00:44:20,190 politicians when they promote unsound 1033 00:44:25,610 --> 00:44:21,660 signs that can threaten the well-being 1034 00:44:28,250 --> 00:44:25,620 of Canadians we will provide analysis of 1035 00:44:30,980 --> 00:44:28,260 dubious scientific claims to you Lee our 1036 00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:30,990 government and the media and campaign 1037 00:44:36,380 --> 00:44:32,850 for policy decisions based on the best 1038 00:44:39,230 --> 00:44:36,390 evidence available we will take action 1039 00:44:40,420 --> 00:44:39,240 to pressure politicians to enforce and 1040 00:44:43,550 --> 00:44:40,430 strength and consumer protection 1041 00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:43,560 regulation we will stand against the 1042 00:44:49,090 --> 00:44:46,800 exploitation of you and your family by 1043 00:44:52,510 --> 00:44:49,100 the peddlers of bad science 1044 00:44:54,130 --> 00:44:52,520 you can help us donator pledge to 1045 00:44:56,620 --> 00:44:54,140 support our campaigns and research 1046 00:44:59,290 --> 00:44:56,630 efforts join our mailing list to receive 1047 00:45:03,250 --> 00:44:59,300 action alerts and help affect real 1048 00:45:07,810 --> 00:45:03,260 change tell your friends about us find 1049 00:45:12,190 --> 00:45:07,820 out more at bat science watch see a bad 1050 00:45:23,390 --> 00:45:12,200 science watch important issues sound 1051 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:27,810 yes bad science watch this is a activism 1052 00:45:32,970 --> 00:45:31,450 in Canada and from bad science watch on 1053 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:32,980 the line all the way from Canada I'm 1054 00:45:36,990 --> 00:45:35,410 speaking to michael cruz hello Michael a 1055 00:45:39,900 --> 00:45:37,000 lot Richard it's great to be with you 1056 00:45:43,050 --> 00:45:39,910 again yes it's been a long time but I've 1057 00:45:45,540 --> 00:45:43,060 been very happy to run the promotions 1058 00:45:48,510 --> 00:45:45,550 for bad science watching Canada I really 1059 00:45:51,420 --> 00:45:48,520 do like it when people get together to 1060 00:45:53,460 --> 00:45:51,430 try and affect change especially when it 1061 00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:53,470 comes to skepticism but how's it all 1062 00:45:57,240 --> 00:45:55,450 going well things couldn't be better 1063 00:45:58,920 --> 00:45:57,250 well things could always be better but 1064 00:46:01,230 --> 00:45:58,930 we're very happy with the outcome that 1065 00:46:03,690 --> 00:46:01,240 we've had recently it's been a it's been 1066 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:03,700 a very busy couple years getting a new 1067 00:46:08,940 --> 00:46:06,970 organization off its under its feet and 1068 00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:08,950 recently we've had a great we're 1069 00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:10,720 considering a great success with with 1070 00:46:14,670 --> 00:46:12,250 Health Canada considering homeopathic 1071 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:14,680 and no swords yes tell me more about 1072 00:46:19,230 --> 00:46:16,810 that because this was the item of a 1073 00:46:21,930 --> 00:46:19,240 recent press release saying Health 1074 00:46:25,860 --> 00:46:21,940 Canada acts on the concerns of bad 1075 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:25,870 science watch yeah indeed so last time I 1076 00:46:29,190 --> 00:46:27,130 spoke to you was about two years ago he 1077 00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:29,200 had just announced one of our first 1078 00:46:33,300 --> 00:46:31,090 projects which is going to be trying to 1079 00:46:34,890 --> 00:46:33,310 pressure Health Canada and the and the 1080 00:46:38,070 --> 00:46:34,900 Government of Canada to change its 1081 00:46:40,530 --> 00:46:38,080 regulations around homeopathic nose oats 1082 00:46:41,730 --> 00:46:40,540 now for those of those those listeners 1083 00:46:43,410 --> 00:46:41,740 don't know what nose oats are I'm sure 1084 00:46:45,350 --> 00:46:43,420 that many people are familiar with 1085 00:46:48,750 --> 00:46:45,360 homeopathy and but knows odes 1086 00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:48,760 specifically are made from the pus or 1087 00:46:55,860 --> 00:46:53,680 tissue or infected discharge from an 1088 00:46:58,560 --> 00:46:55,870 individual who has been infected with an 1089 00:47:02,670 --> 00:46:58,570 infectious disease I like tuberculous or 1090 00:47:06,060 --> 00:47:02,680 measles or pertussis or indeed influenza 1091 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:06,070 and the deal with these with the with 1092 00:47:10,380 --> 00:47:07,930 homeopaths is that they are offering up 1093 00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:10,390 these nodes as possible vaccine 1094 00:47:14,970 --> 00:47:13,330 replacements in some cases they're used 1095 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:14,980 to actually treat the disease in some 1096 00:47:18,750 --> 00:47:16,810 other cases there's a couple different 1097 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:18,760 programs in which they're offered up as 1098 00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:20,290 a complete replacement for childhood 1099 00:47:25,410 --> 00:47:23,040 vaccination schedules so we of course 1100 00:47:27,060 --> 00:47:25,420 we're concerned about this and and 1101 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:27,070 what's even more concerning is in Canada 1102 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:28,450 is that these products are actually 1103 00:47:33,720 --> 00:47:31,570 licensed by Health Canada not 1104 00:47:35,099 --> 00:47:33,730 necessarily for this use but we do know 1105 00:47:37,109 --> 00:47:35,109 that they are being used 1106 00:47:39,450 --> 00:47:37,119 such we were trying to get Health Canada 1107 00:47:43,559 --> 00:47:39,460 to admit that these products should not 1108 00:47:44,910 --> 00:47:43,569 be used for vaccine replacements we had 1109 00:47:47,220 --> 00:47:44,920 a bit of a victory we've been in the 1110 00:47:51,059 --> 00:47:47,230 spring we we put in a consultation to 1111 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:51,069 health canada in response to a monograph 1112 00:47:56,900 --> 00:47:53,170 that they publish which is supposed to 1113 00:47:59,579 --> 00:47:56,910 aid in their approval of these products 1114 00:48:00,839 --> 00:47:59,589 because many producers are natural 1115 00:48:03,690 --> 00:48:00,849 health product producers actually 1116 00:48:06,660 --> 00:48:03,700 produce the same ingredient in different 1117 00:48:07,950 --> 00:48:06,670 packaging and in different branding but 1118 00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:07,960 health canada thought you know why are 1119 00:48:12,809 --> 00:48:11,650 we reviewing 12 different applications 1120 00:48:14,099 --> 00:48:12,819 for the same ingredient why don't we 1121 00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:14,109 just come up with a way to streamline 1122 00:48:19,470 --> 00:48:15,599 the process it was already gone through 1123 00:48:22,009 --> 00:48:19,480 the process of approval you know we can 1124 00:48:24,269 --> 00:48:22,019 shorten it considerably so these the the 1125 00:48:26,700 --> 00:48:24,279 device they use is called a monograph 1126 00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:26,710 and there is one for homeopathic nose 1127 00:48:31,140 --> 00:48:29,890 oats so we put in a consultation saying 1128 00:48:32,549 --> 00:48:31,150 you know we don't think these products 1129 00:48:34,529 --> 00:48:32,559 should be licensed in the first place 1130 00:48:36,180 --> 00:48:34,539 because they are being used as vaccine 1131 00:48:38,670 --> 00:48:36,190 alternatives which is dangerous and 1132 00:48:40,769 --> 00:48:38,680 dangerous the public regardless of what 1133 00:48:42,839 --> 00:48:40,779 they're used for otherwise and in 1134 00:48:44,309 --> 00:48:42,849 response to this which is not a complete 1135 00:48:45,720 --> 00:48:44,319 victory we had hoped that the Health 1136 00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:45,730 Canada would see the light and not 1137 00:48:49,170 --> 00:48:47,890 actually licensed these products or PO 1138 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:49,180 the licenses from those products that 1139 00:48:55,259 --> 00:48:50,890 are already been licensed but what they 1140 00:48:58,259 --> 00:48:55,269 did do is respond to our and and 1141 00:49:00,559 --> 00:48:58,269 hopefully others criticisms and they 1142 00:49:04,710 --> 00:49:00,569 added the requirement for a new label 1143 00:49:06,420 --> 00:49:04,720 that specifically says this product is 1144 00:49:08,460 --> 00:49:06,430 not intended to be an alternative to 1145 00:49:10,349 --> 00:49:08,470 vaccination so we consider that 1146 00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:10,359 certainly a victory and it certainly is 1147 00:49:14,069 --> 00:49:11,920 a shot across the bow for how many paths 1148 00:49:16,529 --> 00:49:14,079 to offer these products in replacements 1149 00:49:18,989 --> 00:49:16,539 for vaccinations it is it's a step in 1150 00:49:21,660 --> 00:49:18,999 the right direction because in this 1151 00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:21,670 country I think yes even last year we 1152 00:49:28,170 --> 00:49:24,249 awarded our bench spoon award you know 1153 00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:28,180 the dishonorable award to a group of 1154 00:49:33,150 --> 00:49:30,400 homeopaths here and this issue has been 1155 00:49:35,940 --> 00:49:33,160 going for on for a long time here do you 1156 00:49:38,849 --> 00:49:35,950 find you get a good hearing with the 1157 00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:38,859 government with your concerns well I 1158 00:49:42,269 --> 00:49:40,720 mean we're a young organization and 1159 00:49:44,970 --> 00:49:42,279 we're a grassroots organization means 1160 00:49:47,380 --> 00:49:44,980 we're not professional lobbyists we 1161 00:49:51,789 --> 00:49:47,390 certainly got a response out of them and 1162 00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:51,799 which was a well surprising considering 1163 00:49:57,609 --> 00:49:56,000 they had not really been responsive to 1164 00:49:59,769 --> 00:49:57,619 organizations of our kind of the past 1165 00:50:02,069 --> 00:49:59,779 the health natural health products 1166 00:50:04,029 --> 00:50:02,079 Directorate which is the subset or the 1167 00:50:05,470 --> 00:50:04,039 subunit within Health Canada that 1168 00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:05,480 actually does the natural health 1169 00:50:11,259 --> 00:50:08,450 products regulation is very largely 1170 00:50:12,970 --> 00:50:11,269 influenced by industry and there's not 1171 00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:12,980 too many organizations speaking on the 1172 00:50:18,940 --> 00:50:14,480 behalf of the public that are trying to 1173 00:50:21,039 --> 00:50:18,950 get them to to change their regulation 1174 00:50:23,799 --> 00:50:21,049 or to affect the regulation so we 1175 00:50:25,839 --> 00:50:23,809 actually didn't have any direct response 1176 00:50:27,460 --> 00:50:25,849 from Health Canada with our submission 1177 00:50:29,049 --> 00:50:27,470 so they didn't send us an email or a 1178 00:50:31,150 --> 00:50:29,059 letter we had to do a little bit of 1179 00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:31,160 digging and usually the monographs when 1180 00:50:35,529 --> 00:50:34,130 they're produced they are there's an 1181 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:35,539 email sent out saying we've you know 1182 00:50:42,099 --> 00:50:38,410 we've published our final our final 1183 00:50:43,839 --> 00:50:42,109 version of it that was not released for 1184 00:50:47,019 --> 00:50:43,849 these homeopathic nose oats they did 1185 00:50:48,579 --> 00:50:47,029 speak to the homeopathic the National 1186 00:50:52,710 --> 00:50:48,589 homeopathic or the organization that 1187 00:50:55,749 --> 00:50:52,720 represents homeopathic distributors and 1188 00:50:58,599 --> 00:50:55,759 manufacturers and in consultation with 1189 00:51:01,450 --> 00:50:58,609 them added this label standard so while 1190 00:51:04,029 --> 00:51:01,460 we're very happy that they added it you 1191 00:51:06,730 --> 00:51:04,039 know their response to the grassroots is 1192 00:51:08,499 --> 00:51:06,740 a bit disconcerting and and the larger 1193 00:51:11,049 --> 00:51:08,509 issue is that like you said it is a 1194 00:51:12,430 --> 00:51:11,059 small step one of the problems with the 1195 00:51:16,089 --> 00:51:12,440 regulation of natural health products in 1196 00:51:17,589 --> 00:51:16,099 this country in Canada is that if you 1197 00:51:19,749 --> 00:51:17,599 want to get your product license all you 1198 00:51:21,789 --> 00:51:19,759 have to do is choose indication for the 1199 00:51:25,089 --> 00:51:21,799 product that is that of the lowest risk 1200 00:51:27,370 --> 00:51:25,099 so regardless if your product is 1201 00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:27,380 actually used for a high-risk thing like 1202 00:51:30,609 --> 00:51:29,210 replacing vaccines all you have to do is 1203 00:51:32,589 --> 00:51:30,619 say you know what we don't need to say 1204 00:51:34,660 --> 00:51:32,599 that all we need to say in license is 1205 00:51:36,490 --> 00:51:34,670 that this part is to be used by health 1206 00:51:39,420 --> 00:51:36,500 as directed by healthcare professional 1207 00:51:43,839 --> 00:51:39,430 and because you're using a lower risk 1208 00:51:46,660 --> 00:51:43,849 statement your evidence for that product 1209 00:51:49,329 --> 00:51:46,670 can is the requirement for evidence is 1210 00:51:51,789 --> 00:51:49,339 considerably lower this of course is not 1211 00:51:54,819 --> 00:51:51,799 the standard used by the approval for 1212 00:51:57,249 --> 00:51:54,829 drug products so here's the game you 1213 00:51:58,900 --> 00:51:57,259 choose a low risk statement you get your 1214 00:52:00,710 --> 00:51:58,910 product license and then you convince 1215 00:52:02,089 --> 00:52:00,720 the community through 1216 00:52:03,830 --> 00:52:02,099 community publications through 1217 00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:03,840 professional publications to through 1218 00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:05,970 health promotion magazines that the 1219 00:52:09,859 --> 00:52:07,890 product is actually used as a vaccine 1220 00:52:13,010 --> 00:52:09,869 replacement and then you can somehow 1221 00:52:15,830 --> 00:52:13,020 circumvent the licensure for that 1222 00:52:18,500 --> 00:52:15,840 high-risk indication and still sell your 1223 00:52:21,620 --> 00:52:18,510 product for how you intend to be in to 1224 00:52:23,089 --> 00:52:21,630 sold to be sold or to be used so it's 1225 00:52:26,089 --> 00:52:23,099 not a very strong regulation 1226 00:52:28,660 --> 00:52:26,099 unfortunately so it's a push here by 1227 00:52:31,730 --> 00:52:28,670 chiropractors they want to be known or 1228 00:52:33,650 --> 00:52:31,740 have the reputation as being primary 1229 00:52:36,170 --> 00:52:33,660 healthcare people so yes if you have 1230 00:52:38,330 --> 00:52:36,180 that cold or whatever the case maybe go 1231 00:52:40,070 --> 00:52:38,340 see you a chiropractor first and also 1232 00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:40,080 the chiropractor's or many of them I 1233 00:52:44,839 --> 00:52:41,690 should say not all of them but there 1234 00:52:48,859 --> 00:52:44,849 certainly are some out there who are 1235 00:52:52,910 --> 00:52:48,869 very mentally anti-vaccination how you 1236 00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:52,920 find that in Canada too we have a much 1237 00:52:59,080 --> 00:52:55,680 more reserved chiropractic community in 1238 00:53:01,490 --> 00:52:59,090 Canada and they have been very carefully 1239 00:53:03,859 --> 00:53:01,500 crafting their message for the past five 1240 00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:03,869 to ten years to avoid that kind of 1241 00:53:07,849 --> 00:53:06,210 controversy compared to the British 1242 00:53:09,500 --> 00:53:07,859 contract Association and certainly at 1243 00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:09,510 what's happening in Australia Canada has 1244 00:53:14,240 --> 00:53:11,520 a much more reserved kind of approach 1245 00:53:15,770 --> 00:53:14,250 with chiropractors but what we've seen 1246 00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:15,780 with chiropractic can certainly occur 1247 00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:17,040 with natural platts homeopaths 1248 00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:18,810 acupuncturists and 2n traditional 1249 00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:20,130 Chinese medicine practitioners as well 1250 00:53:23,210 --> 00:53:21,810 so we're trying to get ahead of the 1251 00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:23,220 problem but unfortunately the horses out 1252 00:53:29,420 --> 00:53:25,290 of the barn in many of these cases yeah 1253 00:53:31,250 --> 00:53:29,430 it's not it's not an easy job to do it's 1254 00:53:33,050 --> 00:53:31,260 like what President Kennedy said about 1255 00:53:34,730 --> 00:53:33,060 going to the moon we choose to do these 1256 00:53:38,329 --> 00:53:34,740 things not because they are easy because 1257 00:53:40,070 --> 00:53:38,339 they're haha yes although I would like 1258 00:53:41,510 --> 00:53:40,080 it to be a bit easier I mean part of 1259 00:53:43,190 --> 00:53:41,520 this natural health product regulation 1260 00:53:44,839 --> 00:53:43,200 that's occurring in Canada is because of 1261 00:53:47,180 --> 00:53:44,849 the mainstreaming of these other 1262 00:53:48,980 --> 00:53:47,190 professions natural health prom that's 1263 00:53:51,170 --> 00:53:48,990 no sorry natural paths in bc and ontario 1264 00:53:55,910 --> 00:53:51,180 arguing actually for broadening the 1265 00:53:57,920 --> 00:53:55,920 prescription capabilities and in order 1266 00:54:00,380 --> 00:53:57,930 to use mainstream drugs in their 1267 00:54:01,970 --> 00:54:00,390 practice so this is ironic because i 1268 00:54:04,820 --> 00:54:01,980 mean one of the organizations on ontario 1269 00:54:08,210 --> 00:54:04,830 is called a the drugless Practitioners 1270 00:54:10,190 --> 00:54:08,220 organization they eschew mainstream 1271 00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:10,200 pharma cute and from pharmaceuticals and 1272 00:54:14,510 --> 00:54:13,890 the kind of theory that goes behind it 1273 00:54:15,950 --> 00:54:14,520 but there 1274 00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:15,960 they want to get their hands on 1275 00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:18,170 prescribing very commonly prescribed 1276 00:54:23,900 --> 00:54:20,370 medications like non-steroidal 1277 00:54:25,700 --> 00:54:23,910 anti-inflammatories or antibiotics in 1278 00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:25,710 order to make them a primary care 1279 00:54:31,010 --> 00:54:28,650 practitioner and many of the the amino 1280 00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:31,020 acids and other kind of more dangerous 1281 00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:33,930 things like fox club and and another 1282 00:54:38,930 --> 00:54:37,050 kind of more dangerous herbs were going 1283 00:54:41,900 --> 00:54:38,940 to be now regulated under the National 1284 00:54:44,180 --> 00:54:41,910 Health an astronaut natural health 1285 00:54:45,590 --> 00:54:44,190 practitioners Directorate and so the 1286 00:54:47,240 --> 00:54:45,600 scope of practice had to be changed in 1287 00:54:49,240 --> 00:54:47,250 order to reflect that so this is all 1288 00:54:51,380 --> 00:54:49,250 going hand in hand we're seeing you know 1289 00:54:52,430 --> 00:54:51,390 60,000 products are right now approved 1290 00:54:54,860 --> 00:54:52,440 by the natural health products 1291 00:54:58,430 --> 00:54:54,870 Directorate which is an enormous amount 1292 00:54:59,240 --> 00:54:58,440 compared to pharmaceuticals and that's 1293 00:55:00,950 --> 00:54:59,250 going hand-in-hand with the 1294 00:55:03,740 --> 00:55:00,960 mainstreaming of naturopathy homeopathy 1295 00:55:06,140 --> 00:55:03,750 and another kind of more alternative 1296 00:55:07,970 --> 00:55:06,150 dubious alternative medicine so it is a 1297 00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:07,980 difficult job certainly bad science 1298 00:55:11,330 --> 00:55:09,570 watch is I think one of the few 1299 00:55:13,220 --> 00:55:11,340 organizations Canada actually looking at 1300 00:55:14,420 --> 00:55:13,230 this issue most of the other 1301 00:55:16,670 --> 00:55:14,430 organizations that are doing science 1302 00:55:19,010 --> 00:55:16,680 advocacy work are more are looking at 1303 00:55:20,750 --> 00:55:19,020 the more mainstream issues but the 1304 00:55:22,970 --> 00:55:20,760 fringe scientific issues because they're 1305 00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:22,980 not being opposed are gaining a foothold 1306 00:55:28,730 --> 00:55:25,410 and we're trying very hard to fight 1307 00:55:30,650 --> 00:55:28,740 against that that action well you and I 1308 00:55:32,930 --> 00:55:30,660 will never be out of a job Michael I can 1309 00:55:35,450 --> 00:55:32,940 promise you that it's very it's very 1310 00:55:38,060 --> 00:55:35,460 true it's a very very true my other job 1311 00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:38,070 my full-time job is as a paramedic so 1312 00:55:42,740 --> 00:55:40,170 you know while you shake your head at 1313 00:55:44,090 --> 00:55:42,750 people are doing kind of dumb things and 1314 00:55:46,340 --> 00:55:44,100 get themselves in position I wouldn't 1315 00:55:48,860 --> 00:55:46,350 have a job if it wasn't for those kind 1316 00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:48,870 of circumstances and unfortunately one 1317 00:55:53,540 --> 00:55:50,490 can look at it for science advocacy as 1318 00:55:55,940 --> 00:55:53,550 well right the the anti science or 1319 00:55:58,040 --> 00:55:55,950 scientific ignorance is runs runs deep 1320 00:56:00,290 --> 00:55:58,050 in society and we're trying our best to 1321 00:56:02,030 --> 00:56:00,300 counter it we are trying and I'm glad 1322 00:56:04,910 --> 00:56:02,040 that there are organizations like bad 1323 00:56:07,250 --> 00:56:04,920 signs watch out there just concerned 1324 00:56:09,650 --> 00:56:07,260 citizens really getting together to try 1325 00:56:14,570 --> 00:56:09,660 and make a difference and the website 1326 00:56:16,940 --> 00:56:14,580 again is a bad science watch dot CA is 1327 00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:16,950 our main website if you're interested in 1328 00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:18,690 the nose oates problem we have a very 1329 00:56:22,790 --> 00:56:20,610 sort of comprehensive wisdom that lays 1330 00:56:27,430 --> 00:56:22,800 out all the arguments called stop noes 0 1331 00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:27,440 0 RG knows how to spell nos 0 des 1332 00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:29,330 and you can certainly go there and and 1333 00:56:33,370 --> 00:56:30,770 get the full picture of why we're 1334 00:56:34,900 --> 00:56:33,380 arguing against these products and and 1335 00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:34,910 you can certainly see bad science watch 1336 00:56:39,850 --> 00:56:37,850 CA check us out on twitter at bad signs 1337 00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:39,860 watch facebook / bad science which I 1338 00:56:42,630 --> 00:56:41,210 think we're on Google+ as well so you 1339 00:56:44,950 --> 00:56:42,640 can check out bad science watch there 1340 00:56:46,210 --> 00:56:44,960 we'd certainly like your input looking 1341 00:56:48,130 --> 00:56:46,220 for volunteers and we're always looking 1342 00:56:49,780 --> 00:56:48,140 of course for donations because this 1343 00:56:52,060 --> 00:56:49,790 costs money to do this kind of work and 1344 00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:52,070 it's very it's very hard to do without 1345 00:56:56,650 --> 00:56:55,010 it well all power to you Michael glad to 1346 00:56:59,170 --> 00:56:56,660 talk with you and that's the word folks 1347 00:57:00,900 --> 00:56:59,180 and well you can just google bad science 1348 00:57:03,790 --> 00:57:00,910 watching you're bound to find the 1349 00:57:05,950 --> 00:57:03,800 information you're seeking all the way 1350 00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:05,960 from Canada michael cruz thank you very 1351 00:57:21,740 --> 00:57:20,000 have you heard the one about how the 1352 00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:21,750 Illuminati in conjunction with the US 1353 00:57:25,250 --> 00:57:23,490 government are hiding the existence of 1354 00:57:27,710 --> 00:57:25,260 aliens in order to ensure the supply of 1355 00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:27,720 helium is kept low or the CIA the 1356 00:57:30,770 --> 00:57:29,010 militant wing of the Freemasons are 1357 00:57:32,210 --> 00:57:30,780 working with the elders of zion to take 1358 00:57:34,700 --> 00:57:32,220 control of the population of the world 1359 00:57:36,500 --> 00:57:34,710 through fluoridated chemtrails canberra 1360 00:57:37,970 --> 00:57:36,510 skeptics incorporated on behalf of the 1361 00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:37,980 shadow government will be massing an 1362 00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:39,690 array of dark forces for the australian 1363 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:42,240 skeptics national convention 2013 this 1364 00:57:45,650 --> 00:57:44,010 convention has conspired to coincide 1365 00:57:47,900 --> 00:57:45,660 with the 50th anniversary of the 1366 00:57:49,580 --> 00:57:47,910 assassination of John F Kennedy possibly 1367 00:57:51,590 --> 00:57:49,590 the most famous conspiracy theory of all 1368 00:57:53,450 --> 00:57:51,600 time if you've ever wanted to learn 1369 00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:53,460 about the truth behind the death of JFK 1370 00:57:57,290 --> 00:57:55,410 what makes for a good conspiracy theory 1371 00:57:59,300 --> 00:57:57,300 and why they are so prevalent Canberra 1372 00:58:01,010 --> 00:57:59,310 skeptics invites you to attend that is 1373 00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:01,020 of course should you choose to accept it 1374 00:58:06,620 --> 00:58:04,050 come to national skeptics convention org 1375 00:58:17,020 --> 00:58:06,630 and just remember they will be watching 1376 00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:19,790 thank you for listening to the skeptic 1377 00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:21,930 zone and thank you to those people who 1378 00:58:27,710 --> 00:58:23,490 keep writing to me saying how much they 1379 00:58:29,780 --> 00:58:27,720 enjoyed solar flare in fact Stefan Soyka 1380 00:58:32,060 --> 00:58:29,790 dr. Stefan has even commented to me that 1381 00:58:35,030 --> 00:58:32,070 he meets people who stop him and say 1382 00:58:36,530 --> 00:58:35,040 they really enjoyed solar flare you can 1383 00:58:39,650 --> 00:58:36,540 if you haven't heard solar flare our 1384 00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:39,660 great space adventure starring the 1385 00:58:43,630 --> 00:58:41,490 skeptics own gang and special guest 1386 00:58:45,890 --> 00:58:43,640 George Arab and Brian Dunning in geo 1387 00:58:51,250 --> 00:58:45,900 music isn't there all sorts of things I 1388 00:58:53,690 --> 00:58:51,260 go to ww skeptics on TV scroll down past 1389 00:58:55,900 --> 00:58:53,700 the show notes to this episode and 1390 00:58:58,820 --> 00:58:55,910 you'll see the link to solar flare and 1391 00:59:01,190 --> 00:58:58,830 yes we are working on the next adventure 1392 00:59:03,890 --> 00:59:01,200 the next episode about a third written 1393 00:59:06,109 --> 00:59:03,900 these things take time trust me these 1394 00:59:09,380 --> 00:59:06,119 things take time now here's a quick note 1395 00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:09,390 for anybody anywhere in the world if you 1396 00:59:14,750 --> 00:59:11,250 would like me to promote your skeptical 1397 00:59:18,890 --> 00:59:14,760 group please let me know if you send me 1398 00:59:20,540 --> 00:59:18,900 a 30 second audio promo makes me a work 1399 00:59:23,330 --> 00:59:20,550 on and make sure it's good quality and 1400 00:59:25,340 --> 00:59:23,340 sounds pretty snappy i'm bound to play 1401 00:59:26,990 --> 00:59:25,350 it i like to support skeptical groups 1402 00:59:28,910 --> 00:59:27,000 all around the world and listeners to 1403 00:59:31,070 --> 00:59:28,920 the skeptic zone certainly know that 1404 00:59:33,530 --> 00:59:31,080 there's the invitation if you want me to 1405 00:59:36,290 --> 00:59:33,540 promote your skeptical group let me know 1406 00:59:38,810 --> 00:59:36,300 but for this week mrs. Richard Saunders 1407 00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:38,820 signing off okay one more time here we 1408 00:59:48,530 --> 00:59:46,170 go ready heads or tails tails this is 1409 00:59:52,950 --> 00:59:48,540 Richard Saunders signing off from Sydney 1410 00:59:59,940 --> 00:59:54,960 you've been listening to the skeptic 1411 01:00:03,720 --> 00:59:59,950 zone visit our website at www skeptics